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Well – on the season finale of “entourage” matt damon had some pretty compelling stats about children who starve in america. not sure how factual they were though
I looked at those statistics, and I remain in my stand. It does not use the word “starve”, it uses the word “food insecurity”, whatever that means.
Furthermore, if you really want to get into it, their main metric seems to be income/poverty levels, and that just reinforces my point. Whenever the government measures income/poverty levels, they always do so WITHOUT including government aid, such as welfare, foodstamps, etc. This is a fact. Anyone doubt it, I invite them to prove me wrong.
Look, I’m not saying that there aren’t people hurting out there, and that they don’t need help. If someone wants to appeal to my better angels to help out, let them do so. I’m not a bad guy, despite appearances (:-). However, what I don’t appreciate is an appeal that suggests that if I don’t agree with the pitch, or think that there is a better way, well, then I’m heartless, or morally deficient.
“You can’t start thinking about these things too soon, CGar!”
And you would know, Cobble, so just let me know which eldercare lawyer you’re using! ; ) [I’d duck but I’m so short I’m practically on the ground already]
Benson, nowhere did I state, imply, suggest, or otherwise say that this is an uncaring country, or impugn anyone’s motives. Once again, you put words in my mouth in order to make what I write in black and white seem wrong. Why bring up soldiers fighting in the war? That has nothing to do with anything we’ve been talking about, and is just flag waving for the sake of trying to belittle my point.
I’m sure those who are mal and undernourished would find little difference between their condition and starving. Since both of those conditions generally lead to an early death, or a miserable life, I hardly think it worthy of a debating point upon which to score on.
This is the greatest country in the world. However, like any country or any human enterprise, it is not perfect. Someone who really loves this country should be free to express their opinion, and be able to find ways to make it even better for everyone. That is what we are supposedly fighting for, is it not?
Benson, maybe my word selection is not the best but my point is debate crosses over the preaching / recruiting when people try too hard to convince the counterparty to agree with his/her view point and that’s how things can get personal unnecessarily.
each throw out his/her best punches then hope the audience sides with them.
I usual have my say and I don’t necessarily need or wait for active confirmation that people agree with me. I ain’t vying for votes for office or something.
you, MM, bxgrl are good people in my eyes and when the debates get personal, it’s sad for me to see it
Well – on the season finale of “entourage” matt damon had some pretty compelling stats about children who starve in america. not sure how factual they were though
[ducking…oh crap, he knows where I live! ; ) ]
Yep, he’s right outside. Check the deck.
THL;
I looked at those statistics, and I remain in my stand. It does not use the word “starve”, it uses the word “food insecurity”, whatever that means.
Furthermore, if you really want to get into it, their main metric seems to be income/poverty levels, and that just reinforces my point. Whenever the government measures income/poverty levels, they always do so WITHOUT including government aid, such as welfare, foodstamps, etc. This is a fact. Anyone doubt it, I invite them to prove me wrong.
Look, I’m not saying that there aren’t people hurting out there, and that they don’t need help. If someone wants to appeal to my better angels to help out, let them do so. I’m not a bad guy, despite appearances (:-). However, what I don’t appreciate is an appeal that suggests that if I don’t agree with the pitch, or think that there is a better way, well, then I’m heartless, or morally deficient.
“You can’t start thinking about these things too soon, CGar!”
And you would know, Cobble, so just let me know which eldercare lawyer you’re using! ; ) [I’d duck but I’m so short I’m practically on the ground already]
oh benson, I just wish we were all as smart as you think you are. And had ALL the answers. : P
Apropos of nothing, there’s a really grouchy secretary at work who looks EXACTLY like Mother Goose from the “Mother Goose & Grimm” comic strip.
Benson, nowhere did I state, imply, suggest, or otherwise say that this is an uncaring country, or impugn anyone’s motives. Once again, you put words in my mouth in order to make what I write in black and white seem wrong. Why bring up soldiers fighting in the war? That has nothing to do with anything we’ve been talking about, and is just flag waving for the sake of trying to belittle my point.
I’m sure those who are mal and undernourished would find little difference between their condition and starving. Since both of those conditions generally lead to an early death, or a miserable life, I hardly think it worthy of a debating point upon which to score on.
This is the greatest country in the world. However, like any country or any human enterprise, it is not perfect. Someone who really loves this country should be free to express their opinion, and be able to find ways to make it even better for everyone. That is what we are supposedly fighting for, is it not?
You can’t start thinking about these things too soon, CGar! [ducking…oh crap, he knows where I live! ; ) ]
Benson, maybe my word selection is not the best but my point is debate crosses over the preaching / recruiting when people try too hard to convince the counterparty to agree with his/her view point and that’s how things can get personal unnecessarily.
each throw out his/her best punches then hope the audience sides with them.
I usual have my say and I don’t necessarily need or wait for active confirmation that people agree with me. I ain’t vying for votes for office or something.
you, MM, bxgrl are good people in my eyes and when the debates get personal, it’s sad for me to see it