As for “You are applying a moral equivalence to an elected democratic leader who went to war on admittedly flawed intelligence but in a time of unprecedented national security concerns.
The people of Iraq had their leadership and failed to get rid of a mass murdering despot.”
You are giving Bush and his administration credibility where none is warranted. Flawed intelligence? flawed because it was wrong or seriously twisted to fit their agenda. As far as the Iraqi people wanting to get rid of Saddam- well, look around you, legion. There are many countries who would love to get rid of their tyrants and are we going after them? No.
And as far as national security concern- our concern was Al Qaeda and we knew for a fact that Bin Laden and Saddam hated each other. So explain to me how Saddam became an issue after 9-11. There is no logic to that thinking.
–just popping in…….today Chavez effected a devaluation of the Venezualan currency. Most oil analysts would say he presided over a debacle in the oil industry there, which is the major source of wealth, foreign exchange, etc. with decreasing output yearly. There has also been a wholesale flight of petroleum engineers and technical experts. He is gradually expropriating companies and nationalizing industries, i.e. hydroelectric power co. It’s sad there.
“in a time of unprecedented national security concerns.”
National security concerns? You really think we are under less threat now than we were then? The security concerns were part of the sales job done to sell the invasions.
“The people of Iraq had their leadership and failed to get rid of a mass murdering despot.”
And you believe the US was/is truly interested in the people of Iraq and had no ulterior motive in invading?
“The US proceeded in protecting its national security and its interests (whether that is right is up for debate)giving Iraq no less than a year of warning.”
The US has done more to unprotect its national security in the last 10 years than ever before.
“What came after was a series of wars on Iraqi soil in which, as always in war, innocents paid the highest price.”
It was an invasion. In my mind, a war assumes the other side had a fighting chance.
“I don’t believe any intelligence turned out to be wrong. I think the “intelligence” never existed; was fabricated and sold to the US citizens as the truth. It was a big lie.â€
Well those who knowingly falsified intelligence to justify the war can get your label of mass murders. (Have individual humans been convicted of knowing falsification in Iraq – not the uranium cake thing?)
Those who just fell for it and ran with it are better referred to as ass clowns.
i sure hope gem doesnt miss my post about a psychic saying that a gemini who lives in nyc is going to win the megamillion tonights amongst all this zzzzz political chitter chatter. :-/
BOSTON – A passenger on a flight departing from Boston was released on his own recognizance after being arrested when other passengers reported that he had placed a suspicious package in the overhead bin.
State police say 35-year-old Ognjen Milatovic (OHN’-yen mee-luh-TOE’-vich) of Hudson refused the crew’s request to hang up his cell phone and sit down on a US Airways Inc. flight bound for Washington, D.C., Monday.
Passengers reported hearing strange noises coming from a plastic bag. State police said later that the bag contained a set of keys, a bagel with cream cheese, some other small food items, a hat and a wallet.
Milatovic, a mathematics and statistics professor at the University of North Florida, was arraigned on charges of disorderly conduct and interfering with operation of an aircraft. His lawyer did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
I am sure you are, Lechacal. Can you share anything? Is my understanding correct?
ENY, Giants considering 2nd go-around with Burress when he is released on Jun 6. I like it as he would help with red-zone scoring.
OK, back to the politics
I completely agree with biff.
As for “You are applying a moral equivalence to an elected democratic leader who went to war on admittedly flawed intelligence but in a time of unprecedented national security concerns.
The people of Iraq had their leadership and failed to get rid of a mass murdering despot.”
You are giving Bush and his administration credibility where none is warranted. Flawed intelligence? flawed because it was wrong or seriously twisted to fit their agenda. As far as the Iraqi people wanting to get rid of Saddam- well, look around you, legion. There are many countries who would love to get rid of their tyrants and are we going after them? No.
And as far as national security concern- our concern was Al Qaeda and we knew for a fact that Bin Laden and Saddam hated each other. So explain to me how Saddam became an issue after 9-11. There is no logic to that thinking.
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I’m pretty familiar with the situation there Dona. My Vz business visa just expired.
–just popping in…….today Chavez effected a devaluation of the Venezualan currency. Most oil analysts would say he presided over a debacle in the oil industry there, which is the major source of wealth, foreign exchange, etc. with decreasing output yearly. There has also been a wholesale flight of petroleum engineers and technical experts. He is gradually expropriating companies and nationalizing industries, i.e. hydroelectric power co. It’s sad there.
“in a time of unprecedented national security concerns.”
National security concerns? You really think we are under less threat now than we were then? The security concerns were part of the sales job done to sell the invasions.
“The people of Iraq had their leadership and failed to get rid of a mass murdering despot.”
And you believe the US was/is truly interested in the people of Iraq and had no ulterior motive in invading?
“The US proceeded in protecting its national security and its interests (whether that is right is up for debate)giving Iraq no less than a year of warning.”
The US has done more to unprotect its national security in the last 10 years than ever before.
“What came after was a series of wars on Iraqi soil in which, as always in war, innocents paid the highest price.”
It was an invasion. In my mind, a war assumes the other side had a fighting chance.
“I don’t believe any intelligence turned out to be wrong. I think the “intelligence” never existed; was fabricated and sold to the US citizens as the truth. It was a big lie.â€
Well those who knowingly falsified intelligence to justify the war can get your label of mass murders. (Have individual humans been convicted of knowing falsification in Iraq – not the uranium cake thing?)
Those who just fell for it and ran with it are better referred to as ass clowns.
i sure hope gem doesnt miss my post about a psychic saying that a gemini who lives in nyc is going to win the megamillion tonights amongst all this zzzzz political chitter chatter. :-/
gem: see my pots above!!
*rob*
– Mon Jan 3, 4:17 pm ET
BOSTON – A passenger on a flight departing from Boston was released on his own recognizance after being arrested when other passengers reported that he had placed a suspicious package in the overhead bin.
State police say 35-year-old Ognjen Milatovic (OHN’-yen mee-luh-TOE’-vich) of Hudson refused the crew’s request to hang up his cell phone and sit down on a US Airways Inc. flight bound for Washington, D.C., Monday.
Passengers reported hearing strange noises coming from a plastic bag. State police said later that the bag contained a set of keys, a bagel with cream cheese, some other small food items, a hat and a wallet.
Milatovic, a mathematics and statistics professor at the University of North Florida, was arraigned on charges of disorderly conduct and interfering with operation of an aircraft. His lawyer did not immediately return a call seeking comment.