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  1. In the UK at least it was region by region, bxgrl. The area I am from was originally a textile manufacvturing region which employed women in large numbers from the start of the industry in the late 1700’s. In e.g. coalmining or shipbuilding regions or rural areas it was less common for women to work outside the home.

  2. Legion- we had no reason to go into Iraq in 2002. None. Zip. You think all the money we spent and all the lives we lost, all the wounded and suffering soldiers, all the lives disrupted for no real reason (I am talking about Iraq here),the increased instability in the region, the huge uptick in terrorist threats- and you don’t think it was a fiasco? Had we stuck to our primary reason for going to war in the Middle East- Bin Laden, don’t you think we would be far ahead now? I do. We wasted years and money, and most important, lives on the guy who DID NOT attack us. Tell me why. Give me a good clear reason why.

  3. “There were millions and millions of people protesting (including me) and knowing it was unjust BEFORE it even started. . . . The people were lied to and many knew it at the time”

    This argument overlooks one fact. In the 2004 election, George Bush laid his entire presidency on his decision to ivade Iraq. He even went so far as to say that had he known (in 2001) what he knew in 2004 (regarding the WMD), he still would have made the decision to go to war.

    He won that election by a decisive margin.

  4. My mother’s mother was a school teacher, and my father’s mother was a seamstress.

    My great aunt, who lived to be 98-1/2, was a bookkeeper for a manufacturer, which couldn’t afford to pay her during the Depression, so they gave her stock. Eventually, she bought the rest of the company, and sold it and retired when she was 90. My grandfather worked with her, and he finally agreed to retire when he was 94.

    My mother was a social worker, stopped working when she had kids, and then went back to work.

  5. Need I remind you all that
    Japan and Germany were once
    our mortal enemies?

    Why do we expect that Iraq will
    not suddenly join the international
    community of functioning democratic nations
    as a useful and productive ally?

  6. etson- I always thought that women in Europe worked outside the home more than in the US. I don’t know if that’s truly the case but I always thought that in this country the idealized family was a stay at home wife and a working husband. My grandmother always worked as my grandfather died 6 months after they came to this country. My aunts also worked because they wanted to. Even after they married. Neither of them would ever be a stay at home. My mother did for years- and she was the one who helped take care of everyone else, including infant cousins of mine.

  7. Legion- Biff nailed it. You’re bending over backwards to finesse the Iraq War and you can’t. Your take on WW I is also off base. It wasn’t begun by the Allies, and Wilson should have entered the War earlier. The Isolationists are living in an alternate reality- even then, countries were interconnected by commerce, for one thing.There is no vacuum this country can operate in.

    bxgrl,
    what’s there to finesse?

    we only got out of Iraq this year and you’re declaring it a fiasco.
    did you forget the dem leadership in the Senate and Congress around 2007 stating the following about Iraq:

    “This war is lost”?????!!!!!!

    just because you say it and you believe it,
    does not make it a reality.

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