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wasder,
it works both ways, my friend,
pointing out deplorable behaviour then
generalizing it to the majority will not advance
your argument any more that me generalizing the
following incident will;
“I wouldn’t call a series of constitutional challenges a proper way to run a government,
unless of course you want to play at Chavez/Putin style politics.”
Oh please, legion, calm down. I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again. This country ain’t going commie anytime soon, and comments like this are absurd! Take a Xanax and call me in the morning.
“Hmm…where was this penchant for fiscal responsibility when the last president was borrowing billions of dollars to pay for a personally motivated and unnecessary war? I wonder.”
and I find it funny that all of sudden now, Rebuplicans are demanding that we can’t pass anything that doesn’t pay for it self. The truth is, if passed nothing, we would be headed for economic disaster
AS the young people say “Oh Snap!”. You are hot today ENY.
Posted by: wasder at March 22, 2010 11:27 AM
hey wasder,
where’s my slap on the back?
why does ENY get all the love?
and I wouldn’t call a series of constitutional challenges a proper way to run a government,
unless of course you want to play at Chavez/Putin style politics.
Here is another really simple way of seeing if this legislation will effect you. Apparently it will have zero effect on me–no change in insurance, no new taxes, but nothing positive either. This is definitely a bill aimed at helping the less fortunate, of which I am greatly in favor.
Plug in the number of people in your household, your income, your current insurance status and this little widget will tell you about what the bill means for you.
So those doctors who do not agree with you are deplorable bobble heads, bought off by the tanning tax? And those who agree with you are, of course, models of fiscal responsibility and intelligence. Got it.
For the record, legion- I understand that there are many who disagree with this bill, such as you. But unlike you, I am not denigrating them for having a differing opinion. People see things differently- that’s a fact of life. We all used to be able to agree to disagree – but that seems to no longer be the case. Instead the Republicans have gone on a campaign of demonization and misinformation. When protesters feel no problem with calling lawmakers n****r or spit on them. Or they insult gays and even Republican senators yell “you lie” at the President on National TV, there is a real problem.
Legion, you goota grip, you’re losing credibility. Your main arguments so far have been that 1) the bill doesn’t include things you think are important, and 2) the bill will cost money. Point #1 is not a reason to villify this bill. You need to say what is in this bill, substantively, that you think will do more harm than good. Everyone agrees we need reform, and that we need to save an otherwise doomed Medicare as well. This takes some steps toward that goal. On point #2, the fact that the bill will save money, especially in the long term, is not something that pundits made up. The CBO priced it. It will save money. I don’t think some doctor from NYC has insider info that really it will cost money and the CBO is blind.
As long as we’re talking partisian politics (and bxgirl is right, 9 times out of 10, you’re the one who goes all partisan), remember Medicare Part D? Huge expensive disaster, theat Rebuplicans wrote and passed and didn’t pay for.
Last week the President and Pelosi and Reid received the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the cost of this recnociliation bill (note, reconciliation bill, not the final bill).
And this was after sending various plans over to the CBO with various cost estimates received that the dems didn’t like.
that CBO estimate finally came back that the bill would cut costs by about 138 billion.
The only problem is that the bill that Pelosi sent to the CBO included a planned 20% cut in medicare reimbursement to doctors. Both parties know that this is impossible since it would mean mass migration of doctors out of healthcare (still may happen anyway).
So Pelosi separtated the “doctor fix” bill which costs something like 250 billion dollars out of the “reconciliation bill”.
when you add the savings of the Reconciliation bill to the cost of the separate doctor fix bill , you have a net loss,
in short, the total healthcare reform proposed by the dems will end up costing this nation more money it simply does not have.
again, please see what is happening in Greece and Spain is next.
wasder,
it works both ways, my friend,
pointing out deplorable behaviour then
generalizing it to the majority will not advance
your argument any more that me generalizing the
following incident will;
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/12/the-black-panther-case/
“I wouldn’t call a series of constitutional challenges a proper way to run a government,
unless of course you want to play at Chavez/Putin style politics.”
Oh please, legion, calm down. I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again. This country ain’t going commie anytime soon, and comments like this are absurd! Take a Xanax and call me in the morning.
Oh, blowfish, nicely done!
[Clap clap clap clap!]
“Hmm…where was this penchant for fiscal responsibility when the last president was borrowing billions of dollars to pay for a personally motivated and unnecessary war? I wonder.”
SNORT!
and I find it funny that all of sudden now, Rebuplicans are demanding that we can’t pass anything that doesn’t pay for it self. The truth is, if passed nothing, we would be headed for economic disaster
http://tinyurl.com/ylhb7ms
AS the young people say “Oh Snap!”. You are hot today ENY.
Posted by: wasder at March 22, 2010 11:27 AM
hey wasder,
where’s my slap on the back?
why does ENY get all the love?
and I wouldn’t call a series of constitutional challenges a proper way to run a government,
unless of course you want to play at Chavez/Putin style politics.
Here is another really simple way of seeing if this legislation will effect you. Apparently it will have zero effect on me–no change in insurance, no new taxes, but nothing positive either. This is definitely a bill aimed at helping the less fortunate, of which I am greatly in favor.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/what-health-bill-means-for-you/?hpid=topnews
Plug in the number of people in your household, your income, your current insurance status and this little widget will tell you about what the bill means for you.
So those doctors who do not agree with you are deplorable bobble heads, bought off by the tanning tax? And those who agree with you are, of course, models of fiscal responsibility and intelligence. Got it.
For the record, legion- I understand that there are many who disagree with this bill, such as you. But unlike you, I am not denigrating them for having a differing opinion. People see things differently- that’s a fact of life. We all used to be able to agree to disagree – but that seems to no longer be the case. Instead the Republicans have gone on a campaign of demonization and misinformation. When protesters feel no problem with calling lawmakers n****r or spit on them. Or they insult gays and even Republican senators yell “you lie” at the President on National TV, there is a real problem.
Legion, you goota grip, you’re losing credibility. Your main arguments so far have been that 1) the bill doesn’t include things you think are important, and 2) the bill will cost money. Point #1 is not a reason to villify this bill. You need to say what is in this bill, substantively, that you think will do more harm than good. Everyone agrees we need reform, and that we need to save an otherwise doomed Medicare as well. This takes some steps toward that goal. On point #2, the fact that the bill will save money, especially in the long term, is not something that pundits made up. The CBO priced it. It will save money. I don’t think some doctor from NYC has insider info that really it will cost money and the CBO is blind.
As long as we’re talking partisian politics (and bxgirl is right, 9 times out of 10, you’re the one who goes all partisan), remember Medicare Part D? Huge expensive disaster, theat Rebuplicans wrote and passed and didn’t pay for.
bxgrl
here’s the math as simple as I can put it,
Last week the President and Pelosi and Reid received the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the cost of this recnociliation bill (note, reconciliation bill, not the final bill).
And this was after sending various plans over to the CBO with various cost estimates received that the dems didn’t like.
that CBO estimate finally came back that the bill would cut costs by about 138 billion.
The only problem is that the bill that Pelosi sent to the CBO included a planned 20% cut in medicare reimbursement to doctors. Both parties know that this is impossible since it would mean mass migration of doctors out of healthcare (still may happen anyway).
So Pelosi separtated the “doctor fix” bill which costs something like 250 billion dollars out of the “reconciliation bill”.
when you add the savings of the Reconciliation bill to the cost of the separate doctor fix bill , you have a net loss,
in short, the total healthcare reform proposed by the dems will end up costing this nation more money it simply does not have.
again, please see what is happening in Greece and Spain is next.