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And there’s a significant population of med school students who struggle mightily to pay to go
okay true true. one of the characters on the new Melrose Place is in medical school and stuggling with passed due tuition payments. she’s gorgeous and exotic looking and wound up becoming a high priced call girl to pay back her debt. tho according the last nights episode it looks like the madame fired her, but luckily one of the guys living in the apartment complex is a trust fund baby (im not making this up) and was able to loan her the 20,000 dollars she needed to stay in medical school. i wish i lived at melrose place instead of brokelyn.
Do you think anyone here would begrudge the same Joe for making half a million a year from a coffee cart business he built up himself?
Stop putting words in our mouths. That’s ridiculous. These CEO’s take down companies and feed off the pieces, the majority don’t build up anything…
“So welfare is better than honest work Chicken?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 22, 2009 10:28 AM”
Where did I imply that?
It’s very simple – you set up a business, you pay your employees the rate that you need to to get the job done to the standard that you require. If you can make a profit then that is your reward for owning the business and you stay in business because you expect to continue to make a profit. If you can’t make a profit (either because your product doesn’t sell enough or your costs are too high) then you close the business down. Are you suggesting that the factory should have stayed open even if it was a long-term loss-making operation?
As to the question of how much you have to make to be able to live in a given area, that’s a circular argument. Decade of New York being successful have lead to ever increasing wage increase demands, which leads to higher end prices for the consumer. I would happily take a 50% pay cut if it meant the cost of everything went down 51%.
You forget why unions came into being in the first place, and therefore why there is no need for them in today’s America.
Montrose – I’m guesing tyou wouldn’t stand in the middle of the Louis Pink houses and tell the gathered crowd that its defensible for a small select group of americans with celtic surnames and the right family connections to make $500K a year moving props and equipment around a stage?
Do you think anyone here would begrudge the same Joe for making half a million a year from a coffee cart business he built up himself?
30 years ago CEO’s made 15 times the average worker, in small comapnies it was more like 4X. Now it’s astronimical, in some cases CEO’s make 1000’s X more. And you wonder who has their hand in the cookie jar? It’s not the workers, their real inflation-adjusted wages haven’t risen in 20 years
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And there’s a significant population of med school students who struggle mightily to pay to go
okay true true. one of the characters on the new Melrose Place is in medical school and stuggling with passed due tuition payments. she’s gorgeous and exotic looking and wound up becoming a high priced call girl to pay back her debt. tho according the last nights episode it looks like the madame fired her, but luckily one of the guys living in the apartment complex is a trust fund baby (im not making this up) and was able to loan her the 20,000 dollars she needed to stay in medical school. i wish i lived at melrose place instead of brokelyn.
*rob*
You can’t compete with slave labor chicken. That’s what Clinton/Bush forced us to do because of NAFTA and the WTO.
right tybur, I made a mistake. The musicians are the creatives, as distinct from the creative professionals who make the $$$
I just think the contempt regarding the men and women who belong to them is over the top.
Posted by: bxgrl at October 22, 2009 10:27 AM
It’s largley the union management that is at fault. Power has gone to their heads.
Remeber that asshole Roger Toussault (sp?) when the transit union struck?????????
Do you think anyone here would begrudge the same Joe for making half a million a year from a coffee cart business he built up himself?
Stop putting words in our mouths. That’s ridiculous. These CEO’s take down companies and feed off the pieces, the majority don’t build up anything…
“So welfare is better than honest work Chicken?
Posted by: Joe from Brooklyn at October 22, 2009 10:28 AM”
Where did I imply that?
It’s very simple – you set up a business, you pay your employees the rate that you need to to get the job done to the standard that you require. If you can make a profit then that is your reward for owning the business and you stay in business because you expect to continue to make a profit. If you can’t make a profit (either because your product doesn’t sell enough or your costs are too high) then you close the business down. Are you suggesting that the factory should have stayed open even if it was a long-term loss-making operation?
As to the question of how much you have to make to be able to live in a given area, that’s a circular argument. Decade of New York being successful have lead to ever increasing wage increase demands, which leads to higher end prices for the consumer. I would happily take a 50% pay cut if it meant the cost of everything went down 51%.
You forget why unions came into being in the first place, and therefore why there is no need for them in today’s America.
Montrose – I’m guesing tyou wouldn’t stand in the middle of the Louis Pink houses and tell the gathered crowd that its defensible for a small select group of americans with celtic surnames and the right family connections to make $500K a year moving props and equipment around a stage?
Do you think anyone here would begrudge the same Joe for making half a million a year from a coffee cart business he built up himself?
30 years ago CEO’s made 15 times the average worker, in small comapnies it was more like 4X. Now it’s astronimical, in some cases CEO’s make 1000’s X more. And you wonder who has their hand in the cookie jar? It’s not the workers, their real inflation-adjusted wages haven’t risen in 20 years
Oh I know, dave. She is so annoying!
DH- I dunno. Ask the corporate execs though. Have them fly here on their private, corporate jets to explain.