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Montrose;
The trouble with the lofty appeal is that it doesn’t conform to the reality I see on the ground. I, like Arkady, come from a family that was heavily involved with unions. As time went on, my father came to detest them, because he saw who actually benefitted from them.
I gave you the example of the machine shop in NJ and the Javits center, and this is something I saw with my own eyes. Want another example? The NUMBER ONE industry in Brooklyn used to be shipping. What destroyed it? A ludicrous contract negotiated with the mafia-controlled longshoremen’s union(which should have been more appropriately called “Albert Anastasia’s racket”). On the block where I grew up, there was a longshoreman who never did a single day’s work. He would go down to hiring hall in Sunset park, check in, and then go home every single day, and make his guaranteed salary.
Not satisfied with this extortion, the longshoremen used to engage in wide-spread pilfering of the goods that came on the dock. Every warehouse in Red Hook used to be filled with this stuff, which was then sold off by these same crooks.
Dittoburg… did you just include musicians in the category of “creative professionals”?! When will this catch-all category stop expanding!!!! Is it because the Carnegie Hall musicians make great money? If they were only scraping together $35k a year, they’re not “creative professionals” right?
Arkady- we must talk! 🙂 But regardless (and yes, there is a lot of bloat), a Master Carpenter nad a Head Stagehand are not your typical paint a chair and hand me that drill kind of jobs. They come with a huge amount of responsibility and require an enormous amount of skill and knowledge. I am not talking about the jobs at a lower level.
dittoberg- do you think a stockbroker has a skill set commensurate with what he earns? How about a CEO who drives his company into he ground, or the heads of Countrywide who made all those high risk homeowner loans? Reading these posts its very clear that white collar people look down on blue collar workers and think they are overpaid. that’s hilarious considering the past year.
Why can’t we go on arguing and throwing invectives?? Why does Montrose Morris have to stick her nose in this and her 2 cents worth and turn this into a reasonable and sensible discussion all the time????
Montrose;
The trouble with the lofty appeal is that it doesn’t conform to the reality I see on the ground. I, like Arkady, come from a family that was heavily involved with unions. As time went on, my father came to detest them, because he saw who actually benefitted from them.
I gave you the example of the machine shop in NJ and the Javits center, and this is something I saw with my own eyes. Want another example? The NUMBER ONE industry in Brooklyn used to be shipping. What destroyed it? A ludicrous contract negotiated with the mafia-controlled longshoremen’s union(which should have been more appropriately called “Albert Anastasia’s racket”). On the block where I grew up, there was a longshoreman who never did a single day’s work. He would go down to hiring hall in Sunset park, check in, and then go home every single day, and make his guaranteed salary.
Not satisfied with this extortion, the longshoremen used to engage in wide-spread pilfering of the goods that came on the dock. Every warehouse in Red Hook used to be filled with this stuff, which was then sold off by these same crooks.
Dittoburg… did you just include musicians in the category of “creative professionals”?! When will this catch-all category stop expanding!!!! Is it because the Carnegie Hall musicians make great money? If they were only scraping together $35k a year, they’re not “creative professionals” right?
Uggh.
You mean the non-union Mexican Auto Industry? That’s where the cars are made DH.
Arkady- we must talk! 🙂 But regardless (and yes, there is a lot of bloat), a Master Carpenter nad a Head Stagehand are not your typical paint a chair and hand me that drill kind of jobs. They come with a huge amount of responsibility and require an enormous amount of skill and knowledge. I am not talking about the jobs at a lower level.
dittoberg- do you think a stockbroker has a skill set commensurate with what he earns? How about a CEO who drives his company into he ground, or the heads of Countrywide who made all those high risk homeowner loans? Reading these posts its very clear that white collar people look down on blue collar workers and think they are overpaid. that’s hilarious considering the past year.
g10 – have you heard The Black Keys?
How are unions working out for the american auto industry nowadays?
Thanks Pete.
“Don’t throw pearls at swine…”
“Cobble will head up the development office and organize the fundraisers.”
I’ll do it! Where do I send my resume!?
Why can’t we go on arguing and throwing invectives?? Why does Montrose Morris have to stick her nose in this and her 2 cents worth and turn this into a reasonable and sensible discussion all the time????