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some wage inflation is also from political shenanigans. ConEd trucks have an hour built in to get to their jobs & another to get back – most depots serve an area within a 15-minute perimeter. So they can’t start a job after lunch that might take more than an hour because they’d have to either stop to get back to the garage or go into approval for overtime – all because of stupid deals negotiated by mayors wanting to be re-elected.
The point is , yes there is corruption and abuse in unions and often they are run more for benefit of leaders not the workers and so conclusion is unionism is bad. Yet when day after day we read about cheating, corruption, scamming, abuses by corporate america somehow don’t draw same conclusion – that corporations and their leaders are bad for america and should be eliminated.
I agree Pete.
“30 years ago CEO’s made 15 times the average worker, in small companies it was more like 4X. Now it’s astronomical, in some cases CEO’s make 1000’s X more. And you wonder who has their hand in the cookie jar? It’s not the workers, their real inflation-adjusted wages haven’t risen in 20 years”
“I don’t entirely get your anti-union antipathy. On the one hand, you bemoan landmarking cuz it ruins housing for the working class’ then you rail against the same class that would supposedly occupy it!”
Denton;
Being anti-union is not the same thing as being anti-working-class. My dad is as working-class as they come and as I said above, he detests unions. Unions now represent something like only 15% of private-sector workers. If you excluded the auto and contruction industries, my guess is that the percentage would go down to less than 5%.
The most powerful unions today are actually those representing public-sector employees. I fully agree with Crescent Hill: the most corrupt of these is the UFT.
” Does anyone read these job descriptions? They wnat you to be responsible for everything, be able to perform at the highest level, have a great expertise and technical know how, be willing to work long hours and weekends for 8- 10 bucks an hour. No benefits”
Right, so if they paid the stagehand a market-rate salary instead of labor-monopoly rate and had an extra $350K to spend on other employees…
the corruption in docks is gone on forever and not why they moved…they moved because of containers and trucking which is much easier in NJ (and where the corruption and unions still exist). The point is , yes there is corruption and abuse in unions and often they are run more for benefit of leaders not the workers and so conclusion is unionism is bad. Yet when day after day we read about cheating, corruption, scamming, abuses by corporate america somehow don’t draw same conclusion – that corporations and their leaders are bad for america and should be eliminated.
some wage inflation is also from political shenanigans. ConEd trucks have an hour built in to get to their jobs & another to get back – most depots serve an area within a 15-minute perimeter. So they can’t start a job after lunch that might take more than an hour because they’d have to either stop to get back to the garage or go into approval for overtime – all because of stupid deals negotiated by mayors wanting to be re-elected.
“oh Biff you and your Nobel Peace Prize”
We Presidents stick together.
The point is , yes there is corruption and abuse in unions and often they are run more for benefit of leaders not the workers and so conclusion is unionism is bad. Yet when day after day we read about cheating, corruption, scamming, abuses by corporate america somehow don’t draw same conclusion – that corporations and their leaders are bad for america and should be eliminated.
I agree Pete.
“30 years ago CEO’s made 15 times the average worker, in small companies it was more like 4X. Now it’s astronomical, in some cases CEO’s make 1000’s X more. And you wonder who has their hand in the cookie jar? It’s not the workers, their real inflation-adjusted wages haven’t risen in 20 years”
If I were earning 500K a year I would find it outrageous that I weren’t making 50M.
“I don’t entirely get your anti-union antipathy. On the one hand, you bemoan landmarking cuz it ruins housing for the working class’ then you rail against the same class that would supposedly occupy it!”
Denton;
Being anti-union is not the same thing as being anti-working-class. My dad is as working-class as they come and as I said above, he detests unions. Unions now represent something like only 15% of private-sector workers. If you excluded the auto and contruction industries, my guess is that the percentage would go down to less than 5%.
The most powerful unions today are actually those representing public-sector employees. I fully agree with Crescent Hill: the most corrupt of these is the UFT.
oh Biff you and your Nobel Peace Prize
” Does anyone read these job descriptions? They wnat you to be responsible for everything, be able to perform at the highest level, have a great expertise and technical know how, be willing to work long hours and weekends for 8- 10 bucks an hour. No benefits”
Right, so if they paid the stagehand a market-rate salary instead of labor-monopoly rate and had an extra $350K to spend on other employees…
I thought so…
the corruption in docks is gone on forever and not why they moved…they moved because of containers and trucking which is much easier in NJ (and where the corruption and unions still exist). The point is , yes there is corruption and abuse in unions and often they are run more for benefit of leaders not the workers and so conclusion is unionism is bad. Yet when day after day we read about cheating, corruption, scamming, abuses by corporate america somehow don’t draw same conclusion – that corporations and their leaders are bad for america and should be eliminated.