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Benson, I know that is the case and it has been happening for some time. Regarding churches, I love the old gorgeous churches. But in the end, grogeous architecture is not the point. Those churches were built with the blood, sweat and tears of devout immigrants. But I don’t believe in making a fetish of buildings. But some of the most beautiful places can be auditoriums with folding chairs…
a brand new condo complex (I think 10 units) nearing completion and you don’t know about it?
(closer to Boerum than Smith end of the block).
I think elevator bldg and some seem to have terrace.
benson, i do NOT believe in eliminating food stamp benefits at all tho. who is going to suffer the most from that, seriously? children who didnt ask to be born.
just not a fan of section 8 and people getting 3 or 4 and 5 bedroom houses and subsidized for it and distorting the rental market. im sorry if you choose to have a large family you can still live in a studio or one bedroom, you will need to make sacrifices. people do it all the time and have throughout history!
Brace yourself. The Dicoese of Brooklyn is set to announce the closing of a significant number of parishes, doe to the changed demographics. The scuttlebutt I hear is that between 20 and 40 parishes will be closed, many in the older areas where “ethnic parishes” used to thrive.
I predict howls of protest when some of these fine old buildings are closed and possibly sold off.
Ok, I hope my liberal friends don’t jump on me for this. Rob sorta has a point…sorta!
For instance, the economy is in the crapper, the class that is suffering the most is the middle class where many of them are now “lower-middle class” or becoming poor and are scraping by.
I have a few people in my family that have been living in the PJ’s for pretty much their entire life and they live off of various gov’t checks – be it disability, welfare, food stamps etc etc – but what’s interesting to me is how they manage to at least keep living-status quo. Their housing situation never changes b/c they live in the same project development. Their kids have food, have nice clothes on their backs,cable TV get new sneakers and bookbags every fall and are doing “ok”. I wonder if b/c their moms are just forced to live within their means that at least every bill gets paid b/c they know exactly what will come in as far as income each month and what needs to get paid. In a way, you have to wonder especially if you aren’t the ambitious type why you would want to change and aim to have more independence and try to make more money working etc etc.
Am not arguing about their societal issues or anything like that – I just wonder that b/c the middle class has used credit for so long to make up for a lousy paycheck to chase the American dream of consumerism, that we are the class that has fallen deeper into decline if not depression!
Yes benson- if the EITC actually gives them back enough money to meet basic needs- and it doesn’t. Working poor means your income is low to begin with- how much money do you actually think you realistically get back? And how about the unemployed? In expensive cities like NY it isn’t much help.
quote:
“the whole voucher program has done more harm than good for a lot of people who choose to not be drains on society.”
Oh really? How?
it spreads crime around and distorts the low end rental market.
FACT! ask ANYONE who isnt on section 8 who lives in any neighborhood where landlords are renting out their houses in the section 8 program.
the reason the federal government implemented the section 8 program was beacuse obviously we’ve seen that dense poverty isnt a good thing, i.e. huge projects and stuff and many cities have started tearing down the projects and giving tenants section 8 vouchers which can be used anywhere that a landlord partakes in the section 8 program. it really does spread crime around, it’s shown over and over and over. I do like the concept of mixed income developments tho, i think those have the potential to work.. section 8 however is a total fail.
Benson, I know that is the case and it has been happening for some time. Regarding churches, I love the old gorgeous churches. But in the end, grogeous architecture is not the point. Those churches were built with the blood, sweat and tears of devout immigrants. But I don’t believe in making a fetish of buildings. But some of the most beautiful places can be auditoriums with folding chairs…
g10, middle class might’ve been smacked the hardest in this econ pullback but they’re still doing a ton better than the poor.
“it really does spread crime around, it’s shown over and over and over. ”
Links, articles?
a brand new condo complex (I think 10 units) nearing completion and you don’t know about it?
(closer to Boerum than Smith end of the block).
I think elevator bldg and some seem to have terrace.
benson, i do NOT believe in eliminating food stamp benefits at all tho. who is going to suffer the most from that, seriously? children who didnt ask to be born.
just not a fan of section 8 and people getting 3 or 4 and 5 bedroom houses and subsidized for it and distorting the rental market. im sorry if you choose to have a large family you can still live in a studio or one bedroom, you will need to make sacrifices. people do it all the time and have throughout history!
*rob*
Donatella;
Brace yourself. The Dicoese of Brooklyn is set to announce the closing of a significant number of parishes, doe to the changed demographics. The scuttlebutt I hear is that between 20 and 40 parishes will be closed, many in the older areas where “ethnic parishes” used to thrive.
I predict howls of protest when some of these fine old buildings are closed and possibly sold off.
Ok, I hope my liberal friends don’t jump on me for this. Rob sorta has a point…sorta!
For instance, the economy is in the crapper, the class that is suffering the most is the middle class where many of them are now “lower-middle class” or becoming poor and are scraping by.
I have a few people in my family that have been living in the PJ’s for pretty much their entire life and they live off of various gov’t checks – be it disability, welfare, food stamps etc etc – but what’s interesting to me is how they manage to at least keep living-status quo. Their housing situation never changes b/c they live in the same project development. Their kids have food, have nice clothes on their backs,cable TV get new sneakers and bookbags every fall and are doing “ok”. I wonder if b/c their moms are just forced to live within their means that at least every bill gets paid b/c they know exactly what will come in as far as income each month and what needs to get paid. In a way, you have to wonder especially if you aren’t the ambitious type why you would want to change and aim to have more independence and try to make more money working etc etc.
Am not arguing about their societal issues or anything like that – I just wonder that b/c the middle class has used credit for so long to make up for a lousy paycheck to chase the American dream of consumerism, that we are the class that has fallen deeper into decline if not depression!
Yes benson- if the EITC actually gives them back enough money to meet basic needs- and it doesn’t. Working poor means your income is low to begin with- how much money do you actually think you realistically get back? And how about the unemployed? In expensive cities like NY it isn’t much help.
quote:
“the whole voucher program has done more harm than good for a lot of people who choose to not be drains on society.”
Oh really? How?
it spreads crime around and distorts the low end rental market.
FACT! ask ANYONE who isnt on section 8 who lives in any neighborhood where landlords are renting out their houses in the section 8 program.
the reason the federal government implemented the section 8 program was beacuse obviously we’ve seen that dense poverty isnt a good thing, i.e. huge projects and stuff and many cities have started tearing down the projects and giving tenants section 8 vouchers which can be used anywhere that a landlord partakes in the section 8 program. it really does spread crime around, it’s shown over and over and over. I do like the concept of mixed income developments tho, i think those have the potential to work.. section 8 however is a total fail.
*rob*