Scientists and Clergy both expect to get us to believe in what they say. The main difference is that scientists depend on evidence, testing and research. Science is the method, scientific knowledge is the state of what we know at a given point in time and the assumption is it is everchanging as we learn more.
Clergy expects us to believe based on what is basically taken on faith. It is presumed based on what is eternal and immutable. Unless you can show me the pictures of you and G-d at the beach drinking Mai tai’s, belief and faith is something you accept without the discipline of scientific method, but with the rigor of philosophy.
dcb: says they “believe” in evolution is not practicing science. Belief is the foundation of religion
Of COURSE it’s not ‘belief’ as in religiosity, it’s belief as in normal ENGLISH usage. Acceptance. Agreement.
Why did you not address the fact that it’s weird that the US has twice or three times the number of non-acceptors of the theory of evolution, regardless of whether or not it’s in a state of flux as per the definition of theory in scientific fields??
Legion, I enjoy a good political debate with the best of them, but let’s at least argue apples with apples, oranges with oranges. Your “gotcha” answers to cmu’s remarks are not only not on point, they don’t even make sense.
1. Citing some case regarding the NBPP to justify the racist behavior of a great deal more of the TP is bogus. One has nothing to do with the other, and proves nothing. Because on racist shows up on the far left, that justifies the racists on the far right? I don’t think so.
MM, again, I was using CMU’s method of hasty generalization against him. That’s the point.
2. Bringing us some guy winning Lotto, a one in a gazillion chance at millionaire-hood, had nothing to do with taxing millionaires or the principles of free enterprise. Believe me, they’ll take taxes out of his winnings, and he’s still able to do what he wants to do. Same goes for the wealthiest among us.
True, it’s a stretch, but I’m using that example as a real illustration of how our society has a mobile class structure. It is not static by any means. people’s fortunes rise and fall in this nation, according to a combination of work, ability, luck, persistence, imagination and most often sexiness.
3. I wouldn’t use wealthy, well connected foreigners coming here for surgery as an endorsement of our health care system. No one argues that we don’t have superior medical facilities or care. The problem is that a large segment of the AMERICAN population cannot afford to access that system. Rich foreigners-yes, average Americans-no. I see a problem there.
My argument is that they have gone about fixing it, by the entirely wrong way.
4. I’d like to see statistics of all of those “millions” of minorities voting Rebublican each year. Funny how they never show up at the Republican conventions. Don’t they get the invitations?
Did I not give you a list recently of the minority GOP candidates for senate, congress, governor,etc. etc.
I can reprint it if you wish.
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. In fact Tulane University offered me a NASA scholarship in grad school to work in their Mars research program. (Stupidly, I turned it down. Very very stupidly)
:-/ ugh! what on earth did you turn that down for? i hope it was worth it, like being on one of the vintage seasons of Real World or something!
rejecting both theories of evolution and intelligent design.
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Sorry………..that should read creationism, not evolution. It fully accepts evolution.
Scientists and Clergy both expect to get us to believe in what they say. The main difference is that scientists depend on evidence, testing and research. Science is the method, scientific knowledge is the state of what we know at a given point in time and the assumption is it is everchanging as we learn more.
Clergy expects us to believe based on what is basically taken on faith. It is presumed based on what is eternal and immutable. Unless you can show me the pictures of you and G-d at the beach drinking Mai tai’s, belief and faith is something you accept without the discipline of scientific method, but with the rigor of philosophy.
g10, good luck at the interview. if you need to, flirt / show some more skin / etc. hehe
dcb: says they “believe” in evolution is not practicing science. Belief is the foundation of religion
Of COURSE it’s not ‘belief’ as in religiosity, it’s belief as in normal ENGLISH usage. Acceptance. Agreement.
Why did you not address the fact that it’s weird that the US has twice or three times the number of non-acceptors of the theory of evolution, regardless of whether or not it’s in a state of flux as per the definition of theory in scientific fields??
bxg: I wish there were more Republican moderates and centrist out there who are willing to work for the good of the country
I’m doing god’s work and that’s way above what’s good for the country.
100 lurkers just called me demanding we go back to posting puns.
“cobble,
first of all,
Shouldn’t you be working?”
No, I don’t start for awhile yet. I get to loll around, eat bon bons and aggravate you for awhile more. : P
By Montrose Morris on September 29, 2010 2:27 PM
Legion, I enjoy a good political debate with the best of them, but let’s at least argue apples with apples, oranges with oranges. Your “gotcha” answers to cmu’s remarks are not only not on point, they don’t even make sense.
1. Citing some case regarding the NBPP to justify the racist behavior of a great deal more of the TP is bogus. One has nothing to do with the other, and proves nothing. Because on racist shows up on the far left, that justifies the racists on the far right? I don’t think so.
MM, again, I was using CMU’s method of hasty generalization against him. That’s the point.
2. Bringing us some guy winning Lotto, a one in a gazillion chance at millionaire-hood, had nothing to do with taxing millionaires or the principles of free enterprise. Believe me, they’ll take taxes out of his winnings, and he’s still able to do what he wants to do. Same goes for the wealthiest among us.
True, it’s a stretch, but I’m using that example as a real illustration of how our society has a mobile class structure. It is not static by any means. people’s fortunes rise and fall in this nation, according to a combination of work, ability, luck, persistence, imagination and most often sexiness.
3. I wouldn’t use wealthy, well connected foreigners coming here for surgery as an endorsement of our health care system. No one argues that we don’t have superior medical facilities or care. The problem is that a large segment of the AMERICAN population cannot afford to access that system. Rich foreigners-yes, average Americans-no. I see a problem there.
My argument is that they have gone about fixing it, by the entirely wrong way.
4. I’d like to see statistics of all of those “millions” of minorities voting Rebublican each year. Funny how they never show up at the Republican conventions. Don’t they get the invitations?
Did I not give you a list recently of the minority GOP candidates for senate, congress, governor,etc. etc.
I can reprint it if you wish.
I could go on, but why bother?
quote:
. In fact Tulane University offered me a NASA scholarship in grad school to work in their Mars research program. (Stupidly, I turned it down. Very very stupidly)
:-/ ugh! what on earth did you turn that down for? i hope it was worth it, like being on one of the vintage seasons of Real World or something!
*rob*