“Wait, so why aren’t people crying out for the Hasidic people in Brooklyn to stop wearing their religious clothing??”
11217, it’s not the same, and in fact I always think about that.
The burka only allows the eyes to show, and in fact there’s an even more restrictive version that covers the eyes with netting.
It;s instructive to compare religions here: Jewish orthodoxy states that women should be ‘modest’, that her limbs should be covered, and only her husband should see her hair. Essentially, Islam and Judaism are in agreement.
Orthodox women comply by wearing a wig, wearing long sleeves, opaque pantyhose and/or long skirts. They may look unusual, but they look like women.
A woman in a burka looks like some kins floating ninja. No comparison.
Denton, I went to Dubai a year and a half ago. I went to a conference and then afterwards ran around there visiting traders (no taxis on streets, get your own car). I compared notes on Dubai with a colleague later on.
He told me a story just like yours.
He caught the eyes of a woman who was wearing a burka briefly in a shopping mall. He said that the look — just a nano second — was a wild, fierce, penetrating look of pure threat. “Like how dare you even meet my eyes?” A look alone was interpreted like a complete violation. He said she terrified him.
Legion, the question is not that I defend or don’t defend parts of Sharia law that I happen to like or dislike. What we are talking about is their right to determine their own laws, and practice them here in the United States. The Constitution states that everyone in this country has the right to follow and practice their religion here. It was important enough a point to the Founders to make it a tenent of the Constitution, the majority of whom, by the way, were not overly religious men. The majority of them were secular humanists, not practicing Christians. Yet they realized the importance and the history of freedom of religion, from the Puritans to the Quakers, to Jews, “Hindoos and Moslems”, to use their old spellings.
I never said I agreed with those tenents of Sharia law you state. Which, by the way, are shared almost word for word with most fundamentalist forms of the three major religions. Do we deny any of them from having their churches, synagogues, or meeting places? No.
“am waiting for the republican party in this country to break from religious control.”
Yup, many of us are.
For a party whos beliefs used to be all about less government, it certainly is ironic that the Republican party of 2010 wants nothing more than to insert themselves in every part of our lives and freedoms.
I chilled with these chicks wearing burkas in Siam Park City, an amusement park in Bangkok. They were scared to go into the haunted house so my friend and I held their hands and we walked through together. Cute little moment.
thankfully the church no longer has a stranglehold over the gov’t in spain. so they passed marriage equality for same-sex couples. am waiting for the republican party in this country to break from religious control.
And what about letting people speak and express themselves freely so they don’t get really, really pissed off at you and do dangerous shit.
“Wait, so why aren’t people crying out for the Hasidic people in Brooklyn to stop wearing their religious clothing??”
11217, it’s not the same, and in fact I always think about that.
The burka only allows the eyes to show, and in fact there’s an even more restrictive version that covers the eyes with netting.
It;s instructive to compare religions here: Jewish orthodoxy states that women should be ‘modest’, that her limbs should be covered, and only her husband should see her hair. Essentially, Islam and Judaism are in agreement.
Orthodox women comply by wearing a wig, wearing long sleeves, opaque pantyhose and/or long skirts. They may look unusual, but they look like women.
A woman in a burka looks like some kins floating ninja. No comparison.
Denton, I went to Dubai a year and a half ago. I went to a conference and then afterwards ran around there visiting traders (no taxis on streets, get your own car). I compared notes on Dubai with a colleague later on.
He told me a story just like yours.
He caught the eyes of a woman who was wearing a burka briefly in a shopping mall. He said that the look — just a nano second — was a wild, fierce, penetrating look of pure threat. “Like how dare you even meet my eyes?” A look alone was interpreted like a complete violation. He said she terrified him.
As long as she’s not a black African lesbian in Madrid, she’ll be fine, Legion.
Legion, the question is not that I defend or don’t defend parts of Sharia law that I happen to like or dislike. What we are talking about is their right to determine their own laws, and practice them here in the United States. The Constitution states that everyone in this country has the right to follow and practice their religion here. It was important enough a point to the Founders to make it a tenent of the Constitution, the majority of whom, by the way, were not overly religious men. The majority of them were secular humanists, not practicing Christians. Yet they realized the importance and the history of freedom of religion, from the Puritans to the Quakers, to Jews, “Hindoos and Moslems”, to use their old spellings.
I never said I agreed with those tenents of Sharia law you state. Which, by the way, are shared almost word for word with most fundamentalist forms of the three major religions. Do we deny any of them from having their churches, synagogues, or meeting places? No.
“am waiting for the republican party in this country to break from religious control.”
Yup, many of us are.
For a party whos beliefs used to be all about less government, it certainly is ironic that the Republican party of 2010 wants nothing more than to insert themselves in every part of our lives and freedoms.
I chilled with these chicks wearing burkas in Siam Park City, an amusement park in Bangkok. They were scared to go into the haunted house so my friend and I held their hands and we walked through together. Cute little moment.
um, can we ban malesters from wearing too short-too tight shorts. If I want to see pasty chicken legs I’ll got see pops.
thankfully the church no longer has a stranglehold over the gov’t in spain. so they passed marriage equality for same-sex couples. am waiting for the republican party in this country to break from religious control.