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wasder, you’re recommending gathering still to remain at hotbird?
If the gathering is in the warm weather (ie this month or next) then yes I would recommend keeping it at Hot Bird for the big outdoor patio. For a winter type event this place could be amazing–probably better for an impromptu than a full on Brownstoner party as its pretty small. With a good turn out we could fill this place.
I wanted to respond to your thoughtful point. As a general matter I think you have a point re moral suasion. Court decisions that get too far ahead of society can be unstable, although that does not mean they should never rendered (Brown? Loving?). It can be a tough call. With respect to gay marriage, (1) the “left” (in this case the gay & lesbian legal activist organizations) did not push for this lawsuit and were somewhat nervous about it, in part for the reasons you state and in part because of conservative majority on S.Ct. They preferred to let this percolate in the states for a while (“laboratories of democracy”, anyone?) and let demographics (e.g., evangelicals under 35 could care less about this) and moral suasion take the lead role. Boies and Olsen jumped the gun on the movement. That said, they have pursued the case very effectively. (2) Having an evidentiary trial and developing a record will have a moral suasion effect, particularly as this goes up the appeal ladder and the facts of the case continue to be discussed. I know that a lot of people are more than uncomfortable with gay marriage, but I’ve also seen a lot of change on that front in the last few years. I don’t even think this moves voters now the way it did in 2004. (3) Unstable trial decisions are reversible and have little precedential value.
I don’t agree that the health care law fits your paradigm. It was not enacted by judicial fiat but by legislative majority and a president who campaigned on the issue and won handily. It can be reversed through the elective and legislative process. I agree Obama has taken a very big risk, but not for the reasons you state. He will pay a price in 2010 with the loss of seats. It’s a long road to 2012.
“so let me remind you that in 2004 George Bush ran for his second term explicitly on the issue of staying the course in Iraq. He won that election. Unlike the left has done on the issues I mentioned above, he put his ideas out there for the people to vote on.”
yeah – he ran a campaign based on fearmongering against a total the total tool bag Kerry.
Courtney Love Discusses NYC Real Estate Woes
Courtney Love lives in New York, but is having that same problem everyone has when moving around in the city… finding the perfect home. (Rock stars, they’re just like us.) She has yet to find that magical place to settle into, and in a little off-the-cuff interview with NYMag she discusses her real estate woes, first declaring: “I’ve been here for a year looking for a house. I live here. I am a member of your society.” But it seems certain parts of that society don’t want her living next door; when hoping to move into a home next to Anna Wintour, she was turned down, even though her “references are impeccable!” (Don’t take it personally C.Lo, Anna doesn’t really want anyone near her).
The songstress has been searching for digs in Greenwich Village, saying, “The Village is definite. It doesn’t have to be Gold Coast; you know, west of Sixth is fine. But it has to be in that part that’s really quaint and lovely.” Her almost-dream-home happens to belong to Milla Jovovich, who “has a house on Greenwich, fucking beautiful. So I don’t know that I’ll buy it, but I will certainly lease it. And it has enough room for Frances if she wants to come home. And it’s very, like, Edith Wharton. It’s on a bit of a busier street than I was looking for, you know, it’s not leafy. But I’m not in Brooklyn, it’s okay.” Burn, Brooklyn.
wasder, you’re recommending gathering still to remain at hotbird?
If the gathering is in the warm weather (ie this month or next) then yes I would recommend keeping it at Hot Bird for the big outdoor patio. For a winter type event this place could be amazing–probably better for an impromptu than a full on Brownstoner party as its pretty small. With a good turn out we could fill this place.
All that being said its a really nice bar.
“so any suggestions of places to go(beach restaurants), bike routes on north or south fork of LI? more quiet more subdued?”
I like the North Fork much better. Greenport is very nice.
Hey, benson,
I wanted to respond to your thoughtful point. As a general matter I think you have a point re moral suasion. Court decisions that get too far ahead of society can be unstable, although that does not mean they should never rendered (Brown? Loving?). It can be a tough call. With respect to gay marriage, (1) the “left” (in this case the gay & lesbian legal activist organizations) did not push for this lawsuit and were somewhat nervous about it, in part for the reasons you state and in part because of conservative majority on S.Ct. They preferred to let this percolate in the states for a while (“laboratories of democracy”, anyone?) and let demographics (e.g., evangelicals under 35 could care less about this) and moral suasion take the lead role. Boies and Olsen jumped the gun on the movement. That said, they have pursued the case very effectively. (2) Having an evidentiary trial and developing a record will have a moral suasion effect, particularly as this goes up the appeal ladder and the facts of the case continue to be discussed. I know that a lot of people are more than uncomfortable with gay marriage, but I’ve also seen a lot of change on that front in the last few years. I don’t even think this moves voters now the way it did in 2004. (3) Unstable trial decisions are reversible and have little precedential value.
I don’t agree that the health care law fits your paradigm. It was not enacted by judicial fiat but by legislative majority and a president who campaigned on the issue and won handily. It can be reversed through the elective and legislative process. I agree Obama has taken a very big risk, but not for the reasons you state. He will pay a price in 2010 with the loss of seats. It’s a long road to 2012.
Who is Cortney Love???? Is Frances her lesbian lover ????
Where is the “Gold Coast” of greenwich Village???
benson, both Mcain and Obama ran on delivering health care to all. A new position for the Republian PArty, I might add.
so any suggestions of places to go(beach restaurants), bike routes on north or south fork of LI? more quiet more subdued?
sentence structure FAIL
“so let me remind you that in 2004 George Bush ran for his second term explicitly on the issue of staying the course in Iraq. He won that election. Unlike the left has done on the issues I mentioned above, he put his ideas out there for the people to vote on.”
yeah – he ran a campaign based on fearmongering against a total the total tool bag Kerry.
What’s your point?
ahhahaha courtney love <3
Courtney Love Discusses NYC Real Estate Woes
Courtney Love lives in New York, but is having that same problem everyone has when moving around in the city… finding the perfect home. (Rock stars, they’re just like us.) She has yet to find that magical place to settle into, and in a little off-the-cuff interview with NYMag she discusses her real estate woes, first declaring: “I’ve been here for a year looking for a house. I live here. I am a member of your society.” But it seems certain parts of that society don’t want her living next door; when hoping to move into a home next to Anna Wintour, she was turned down, even though her “references are impeccable!” (Don’t take it personally C.Lo, Anna doesn’t really want anyone near her).
The songstress has been searching for digs in Greenwich Village, saying, “The Village is definite. It doesn’t have to be Gold Coast; you know, west of Sixth is fine. But it has to be in that part that’s really quaint and lovely.” Her almost-dream-home happens to belong to Milla Jovovich, who “has a house on Greenwich, fucking beautiful. So I don’t know that I’ll buy it, but I will certainly lease it. And it has enough room for Frances if she wants to come home. And it’s very, like, Edith Wharton. It’s on a bit of a busier street than I was looking for, you know, it’s not leafy. But I’m not in Brooklyn, it’s okay.” Burn, Brooklyn.