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ENY, I don’t think anyone is saying the teacher should be summarily fired without proof of the assault. I think we are just assuming, and possibly wrongly, that the fact that the assault took place was a given…witnesses, injury, etc.
“jessie: missed the ref. but what do you *really* think? ;)”
To be honest, cmu, in the case of military training, if we are to accept the premise that it’s okay for a country to have a military that will attack and kill people, then why is it so hard to come to terms with roughing up some of our own — you’re training people to operate weapons that can kill people. the whole thing is ugly.
“The city supposedly just negotiated a new agreement with the teacher’s union to eliminate the “rubber rooms”, but I’ll believe it when I see it.”
i hope so– such a huge drain on resources. why can’t they just have their arbitrations right away. maybe get unemployment while they wait, which they’d have to pay back if they lose.
Blowfish, if she put her hands on the student, it’s misconduct pure and simple. Teachers are not allowed to touch a student. Period. And the way the law works with assaulting a minor, it doesn’t even help you to say ‘she hit me first.’ May suck, but that’s the way it is.
“but it’s not illegal. NY is a fire-at-will state isn’t it?”
Nope, it’s not illegal. Just wrong.
If one of the office jocketts claimed you’d put your hands on her, but perhaps you actually hadn’t, should you be fired summarily? Would you? Perhaps. That would be wrong in my view, but not illegal.
Anyway, point taken. You don’t like that teachers’ unions represent them in such cases because your tax dollars (which also pay for schools) foot the bill.
um, DH, we don’t know whether she committed misconduct, that’s the whole point. And she’s not sitting in a rubber rooms, she was reassigned to desk duties. And just because not everyone can’t be fired without just cause doesn’t mean no one should have job protections.
And yes, the union figures into the teacher being “reassigned” and not fired immediately. As DH says, anyone else would have found themselves on their neck on the sidewalk outside immediately after the occurrence. If a secretary at a shipping factory did this, I highly doubt she’d be “reassigned” to the loading dock until the situation is resolved.
ENY, I don’t think anyone is saying the teacher should be summarily fired without proof of the assault. I think we are just assuming, and possibly wrongly, that the fact that the assault took place was a given…witnesses, injury, etc.
“jessie: missed the ref. but what do you *really* think? ;)”
To be honest, cmu, in the case of military training, if we are to accept the premise that it’s okay for a country to have a military that will attack and kill people, then why is it so hard to come to terms with roughing up some of our own — you’re training people to operate weapons that can kill people. the whole thing is ugly.
“The city supposedly just negotiated a new agreement with the teacher’s union to eliminate the “rubber rooms”, but I’ll believe it when I see it.”
i hope so– such a huge drain on resources. why can’t they just have their arbitrations right away. maybe get unemployment while they wait, which they’d have to pay back if they lose.
Blowfish, if she put her hands on the student, it’s misconduct pure and simple. Teachers are not allowed to touch a student. Period. And the way the law works with assaulting a minor, it doesn’t even help you to say ‘she hit me first.’ May suck, but that’s the way it is.
“but it’s not illegal. NY is a fire-at-will state isn’t it?”
Nope, it’s not illegal. Just wrong.
If one of the office jocketts claimed you’d put your hands on her, but perhaps you actually hadn’t, should you be fired summarily? Would you? Perhaps. That would be wrong in my view, but not illegal.
Anyway, point taken. You don’t like that teachers’ unions represent them in such cases because your tax dollars (which also pay for schools) foot the bill.
the two were alone in a room. We have no idea how the girl hurt herself. there needs to be an investigation.
The city supposedly just negotiated a new agreement with the teacher’s union to eliminate the “rubber rooms”, but I’ll believe it when I see it.
um, DH, we don’t know whether she committed misconduct, that’s the whole point. And she’s not sitting in a rubber rooms, she was reassigned to desk duties. And just because not everyone can’t be fired without just cause doesn’t mean no one should have job protections.
And yes, the union figures into the teacher being “reassigned” and not fired immediately. As DH says, anyone else would have found themselves on their neck on the sidewalk outside immediately after the occurrence. If a secretary at a shipping factory did this, I highly doubt she’d be “reassigned” to the loading dock until the situation is resolved.