New Brownstoner Format
@eman134 you can follow topics that interest you. see screenshot attached. [Screen Shot 2016-06-13 at 5](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s2/:brownstoner:YWaV:screenshot20160613at5.55.11pm.png.jpg) clearly the chronological ordering is something that people are really missing.
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slopefarm | 8 years and 11 months ago
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Yeah, kind of a non sequitor from brownstoner. How would a user-friendly forum hurt the bottom line, or interesting content like there used to be until the last few months?
More to the point, would it really hurt the bottom line to engage with the community as to what brownstoner is thinking and why in response to the sustained critique that many, many readers are now making.
No one wishes brownstoner anything other than success, but the changes, and lack of substantive discussion about them and the critiques that have resulted, are baffling.
Arkady | 8 years and 11 months ago
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My takeaway from that response is that Brownstoner is doing well because of what has gone before & what we hope will return. A site w/ interesting content that is easy to negotiate.
cmu | 8 years and 11 months ago
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The problem is change for changes sake, which seems to drive almost all website mods. And with complex systems, something is sure to break.
It does not, however, explain how a redesign could screw up something as simple as a comment form (this one, have you noticed how it “jumps” as you’re typing so you constantly have to readjust the page?) or the pull-down selectors in the Real Estate (I still can’t use them, and I’m a website designer!) Add to that young Turks with 20-15 eyesight who decide that a low-contrast color and overly thin font for text is fine (like here, it isn’t, black serif 12pt font s best, thank you.) Thankfully, Flash seems on its way out, perhaps because of the Ipad not allowing it, so we don’t have to endure the blank page with “Loading”much any more.
brownstoner | 8 years and 11 months ago
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@nope Well, let’s start with the Forum. Remember, the Forum is essentially a service to the community and provides little by way of monetization to us — and we are happy to provide this service.
The Forum was originally custom built in Movable Type (anyone remember MT?). We moved from MT to the WordPress-based bbPress. bbPress worked pretty well for a while, but maintenance and moderation of bbPress was cumbersome, so we moved to a cloud-based provider (muut), which is where we are right now.
For us, muut is doing a decent enough job overall. They have ventured into the murky waters of commenting and forum solutions, a category that has seen few successes. There are features that you (and we) would like to see (e.g. chronological ordering, timestamps, etc) and we hope that they can deliver them soon.
slopefarm | 8 years and 11 months ago
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nope — a bunch of us have been complaining about the forum format so I am glad brownstoner responded. and yes, time stamps and chrono ordering would be great, so good to hear brownstoner wants to do this (though hard to imagine it is difficult) (and yes, per cmu’s comments, a higher contrast color and easier to read font would be nice, too).
brownstoner | 8 years and 11 months ago
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@slopefarm if it were our software it would be easy, but it is not..
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thanks, brownstoner, for the response and I hope you work it out. Now, about that “content” . . . Seriously, that seems to be the main, shared beef about the home page — a lot of us are saying we see a real drop off lately in quality and quantity of content. We’d love to know what you are thinking about content and where you are headed.
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@slopefarm What kind of content would you like to see?
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I’ve said it in a lot of posts, but really the content I would like to see is really the kind of content that you have had for nearly the entire life of the site. Your takes on everything from historical architecture and building styles, to issues of zoning and building size, to renovation design and construction, to Brooklyn history, to neighborhood issues and what is happening in the market used to be far more detailed and sophisticated. Really, just pick a week of content from almost any time period before 2016 and see how that compares to the recent articles on how Park Slope got its name or explaining what a garden apartment is. On the Cobble Hill thread, I mentioned that years ago, you had great coverage of the controversy over architect Scarano’s questionable use of “mezzanines” to add FAR, and the resulting dealings with the DOB. In fact, you would cover interesting changes at the DOB.
A lot of us have noticed a significant drop off in the number of articles each day as well.
And it doesn’t all have to be controversial or anything. I remember one se ries a number of years back on parlor floor kitchens — how did people solve spacing issues, etc. There must have been about 10 in a series, each featuring a different reader’s solution, complete with plans, photos, interview with the homeowner etc. You did the same with bathrooms.
Even just last year, you provided a lot of decent coverage of the zoning proposals for ENY, with quotes from those on different sides of the issue, detailed maps, etc.
And even the fun stuff — weird flotsam, sometimes sent in by readers — used to have more of an interesting edge to it. You once posted a photo of a weed in someone’s tree pit and queried whether it was, in fact, “weed” — we all had a lot of fun with that.
If I took the time, I could go back and find 20 or 30 other examples of the kind of articles that made this site worthwhile reading and on which the site’s brand and reputation are based. But right now, the site has a lot of fluff, generic little light factoids for people who might be new to Brooklyn. but, geez, the old timers are rolling our eyes. I know this is a blog, not a news organization, and much of what was covered was second hand, but you folks framed it for engaging discussion that could draw in RE professionals, longtime residents, newbies alike. I’m just not seeing that much anymore.
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> @slopefarm
> great coverage of the controversy over architect Scarano’s questionable use of “mezzanines” to add FAR, and the resulting dealings with the DOB.
doesn’t really sound like the sort of click bait they are going for.
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bring back HORROR SHOW FRIDAYS!!!
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> @brownstoner
> What kind of content would you like to see?
are you really unaware of what this site used to be vs what it is now? SMH.
Guest User | 8 years and 11 months ago
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Very well said @slopefarm
slopefarm | 8 years and 11 months ago
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Randi, brownstoner has joined the conversation over some of our criticisms of the site as of late, including the content. I understand and probably share some of your skepticism, but rather than fire off a few more potshots, why not play through the discussion and see where it leads. Perhaps point to a few things you liked about content here in the “good old days.” Build the positive case for better content.
MOSHE | 8 years and 11 months ago
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I used to go to the old site daily. I find this new format annoying and check it once every few weeks. Go back to the old.
slopefarm | 8 years and 11 months ago
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Which reminds me . . . is MM still writing for the site? I have seen re-runs, but I think it has been a while since there has been an original piece. Is she on hiatus for her book, or no longer writing for the site, or what?
montrosemorris | 8 years and 11 months ago
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Slopey, I’m still around. I am working on the books. I will be writing new content now and then. I just finished a piece which will probably run in the near future. I’m glad I’m missed, and the feeling is mutual.
slopefarm | 8 years and 11 months ago
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Nice to hear it, MM. and good luck with the books. They are not easy to write.
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