Interesting Heat Pump Story on PBS NewsHour tonight

DOes anyone have any new information about geothermal being done in Brooklyn ?
We have reached out to Dandelion, but they say they don’t come to Brooklyn. There is room to drill on my property and i would like to take advantage of this worthwhile option.
Any experience or advice would be helpful.
( not sure if this is where I should be puttting this ?)

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Guest User | 2 years and 6 months ago

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60 percent of electricity in nyc comes from gas generated plants

carolina-moscoso | 2 years and 6 months ago

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For now, Eman. For now. It’s all part of a long-term strategy that as an HVAC professional you can either embrace and evolve with, or resist or retire.

Guest User | 2 years and 6 months ago

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Also, as I posted earlier those rebates no longer exist

carolina-moscoso | 2 years and 6 months ago

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Rebates are just one component of all of this, Eman. They no longer exist because the program was so successful that all allocated funds were exhausted. Might they come back at some point? Sure. But will homeowners continue to invest in new heating technologies without the rebates — absolutely. This is a boon for the industry. Well the ones on the right side of all of this, that is. Oil and gas dependent specialists need to reinvent themselves or in 10 years they’ll just spend all their time competing for service contracts for the remaining fossil fuel systems and doing absolutely no new installs. While the “ban gas stove” hysteria of last week certainly isn’t helpful to the greater cause, I actually think that all these gentle nudges through rebates and other incentives was the right lead up to these next and inevitable steps.

Guest User | 2 years and 6 months ago

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Getting a little too weird for me

carolina-moscoso | 2 years and 6 months ago

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To each their own man.

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In response to a couple of questions:
We installed Mitsubishi mini-splits as a reasonably affordable way to get air conditioning throughout our semi-detached, 1920’s era home. The units effectively provide A/C and we can cool the parts of the house we are in without cooling the whole house. The system was not designed or sold as a replacement to our steam radiators. It has the capability to heat the house but as I mentioned in my original post, I am not a fan. I don’t like the warm air blowing on me and it made the house feel drafty. In addition, forced air heat of any kind is very drying and really needs added humidification if you want to be comfortable.

If you are someone who is used to living with forced-air heating, split system heating is a good system. For those of us who prefer steam or hot water radiators, its hard to imagine that switching to mini-splits for heat (in an old house) is going to make you happy.

carolina-moscoso | 2 years and 6 months ago

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BayRidge, you are spot on. Hydronic + steam heat is far superior to forced air, which is why heat pump boilers sound so promising for homes with existing piping. In my first home we replaced a failing hydronic system with mini-splits because the cost to replace the gas boiler and open up walls to repair failed pipe welds just didn’t make sense. We also needed AC for the summer. Our upstate house has nothing but forced air so the switch to mini-splits was less jarring this time around. Forced air not common in the city, but up north many houses rely on it instead of radiators and it’s cost prohibitive to break open plaster walls to run hydronic piping.

randolph | 2 years and 6 months ago

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> @Master Plvmber
> Well you spend a ridiculous amount of time on this forum and you’ve got a second home, so I guess I took a shot that you’ve got some extra dough.
rude and presumptuous.

chemosphere | 2 years and 5 months ago

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quite a bit here on the “do you need to keep your boiler as backup” question. https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2023/02/07/maine-gas-industry-heat-pumps/

cate | 2 years and 5 months ago

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Randolph, that is very informative about minisplits in your upstate place, thank you for posting. Since you did install minisplits, you are a prime candidate to do geothermal. It’s a heat pump and heat exchanger — you drill down into the ground like for a well, and the system uses hot water below the surface to run your minisplit heating and cooling. So apart from the electricity needed for the geothermal heat pump, you don’t use electricity for the actual heating and cooling. The cost of digging down is quite high, but with various offsets and rebates and this and that, it might be fairly affordable. If you google geothermal in New York you may see something pop up from some Google spinoff that’s trying to get this going. In addition, you could hook up solar to power the geothermal heat pump and lights and such, and you wouldn’t pay any utilities at all. It’s difficult to do geothermal in the city, although someone is trying to invent one that can be installed underground in a cellar.

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Cate, are you saying that the ground source pump can be set up to work with the indoor heads of the mini splits instead of the outdoor compressor?