Combining Floors - Legal 3 family to 2 family conversion?
As it was explained to me, it’s only worth changing the COO if you need to add occupancy (since overutilization is a big problem).
Aside from the LL152 gas inspection, what are the additional requirements and inspections for a multi family, as it would seem in a few years behind then!
amt230
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alexkavourias | 1 day ago
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Im in contract to buy a 3 family townhouse.
– garden, parlor and top floors are separate apartments
– the parlor and top floor share an outdoor entrance. They are connected by a foyer + internal staircase
I want to take the top two apartments as my own for owners use. I’d like to remove the extra kitchen and cap the gas & plumbinh.
To legally do this work, am I looking at an ALT-2 filing at the minimum?
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AFAIK, as long as the house remains a legal three family and you don’t change egress, you don’t need to file an Alt-1, and as long as you don’t move wet rooms, you don’t need to file an Alt-2. Simply capping fixtures should not require an Alt-2. Also FWIW sometimes a kitchen can be turned into a lovely craft/laundry room with no significant changes.
alexkavourias | 1 day ago
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Yes! would love to convert it into a laundry room and/or add an extra bathroom on the top floor.
So, I would only need to get standard kitchen renovation permits from DOB for this type of work?
cate | 1 day ago
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AFIK no DOB permit (such as an Alt-1 or Alt-2) is required to cap fixtures. The licensed plumber will submit whatever permit with the DOB is needed to do the work, just like they would do if they were replacing an old boiler with a new one. This is not the same as a permit an architect or engineer files for a change of occupancy or alteration such as moving walls. It will not increase your property tax. However, converting a kitchen into a bathroom can often require an Alt-2 filed by an architect or engineer, depending on the design. In any case, you would be well advised to work with an architect on all of this, unless you are going the very minimal route and merely capping fixtures. If you are doing more than the bare bones minimum, an experienced architect will make the whole project more successful and also how to design the changes so no DOB permits are required, if that is your preference.
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Thank you Cate, this is incredibly valuable advice
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so with due credit to (i think) Chris at Petri Plumbing who answered this a month ago:
you cannot simply cap a gas line and leave it that way. a gas line must terminate at an appliance.
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Maybe rules have changed but many houses in Brooklyn do have many gas lines that are capped with no fixtures whether for lighting or stoves.
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For whatever it is worth, I converted my 4 family for use as a 3 family and only considered permits to the extent that they were otherwise required based on the substantive work. But, I was told by all the people guiding me at the time that the underutilization in and of itself does not create a problem with your COO and that no permits were required for that wrinkle. We otherwise navigated the project to be permit light, so my home remains technically a 4 family though I use as 3, and nothing was filed to accomplish this.
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On the other hand, a three family house is considered a multiple dwelling and is subject to significantly more requirements and inspections than a 2 family. If you can spend the additional money, time, and permit processing, it might be worthwhile in the end to change the C of O.
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That’s very true that there are many more requirements and inspections for a three-family house than a single-family. However, changing the C of O will one year later reset the property tax to the full current market value of the house all at once.
BobMarvin | 5 hrs ago
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Wow Cate. If RE taxes increase that much is it EVER practicable to change one’s C of O?