Airbnb rules on a 3 family

LOL. You’re likeable enough, dave.

I like many of your posts, dave. I just take the time to read them, first.

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slopefarm | 9 years and 1 month ago

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The fact that bedstuy13 does it is not an argument that it is completely legal. I would be curious to read the legal analysis that demonstrates that it is legal. According to AG report, it is not.

mattia.alfa | 9 years and 1 month ago

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legality aside – i think there’s a moral aspect to it – city is in a housing crisis and you’re effectively taking a unit of housing off the market for working new yorkers who pay taxes and support the local economy and renting it to a transient/tourist. bad neighbor

daveinbedstuy | 9 years and 1 month ago

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A moral aspect to real estate in NYC?? LOL

resident2 | 9 years and 1 month ago

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Renting one apartment in a three family house ( a multiple dwelling) to transient tenants is NOT legal as per HPD and building codes.
If you are renting one of your bedrooms in a two bedroom apartment within a three family house, that would be allowed because you are in occupancy. You being in a different apartment does not clear you of your occupancy requirement to be present.
The point of this law is to preserve long term rental housing as well as other health and safety issues.
If you have an owner occupied two family house; OK to rent out the second apartment to transients because a two family is not a multiple dwelling under HPD and building codes. If you have a one family with a live in maids auxiliary use, you can rent out the maids space to temporary tenants so long as you are in occupancy……. but a three family with a C of O as a 3 family… NO.
I know it is done all the time…. but it is not legal and if you have a fire or some other emergency issue, your insurance may well not cover it.

daveinbedstuy | 9 years and 1 month ago

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That’s how I read it as well, resident2

rastermon | 9 years and 1 month ago

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resident2, read the NYC building code chapter 3, section 310 – transient occupancy is not legal in 1- and 2- family homes either – it would be a building code violation

stuyheights | 9 years and 1 month ago

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I would agree as well resident2…. Now the real curve ball comes into play if you don’t have a CO but when push comes to shove i don’t think that would hold up in court. So many people are renting out illegal apartments on Airbnb for short term rentals. Its all fun and games until someone loses an eye (or gets slapped with a 10k fine). Then we will see if the income generated was greater then having a long term tenant. I personally find it too risky although I would have to agree with DIBS. I do not have any moral dilemma going on.

Boerumresident | 9 years and 1 month ago

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Bedstuy13 is probably wrong about the law, but probably right about the financial benefit and risk/reward. There is a low likelihood that the City will crack down on Airbnb rentals in non-rent stabilized buildings or large apartment buildings. However, as pointed out, I don’t think the owners would stand a chance in court if the City came along with big fines for people operating businesses in residential houses while being out of complaince with building codes etc.

Also don’t forget the tax collection aspect.

valerieniosi | 9 years and 1 month ago

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If it is technically illegal does the owner have any recourse if the renter skips out on payment or does not pay for damages? Ie u cannot sue me cause I can report u.

valerieniosi | 9 years and 1 month ago

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If it is technically illegal does the owner have any recourse if the renter skips out on payment or does not pay for damages? Ie u cannot sue me cause I can report u.

mattia.alfa | 9 years and 1 month ago

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Oh man that’s a fun worst case scenario.

So since we are giving kinda legal advice if someone should break the law ….

As a scam artist what would I need to do to stay in an apartment of someone for free for an extended amount of time if they are illegally renting an Airbnb?

lamb | 9 years and 1 month ago

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it is a clear violation of multiple dwelling law to rent an entire unit for less than 30 days… I would have happily done so when I still owned my 3 fam, but didn’t want to lock in 12 month leases bc I was planning to sell in less than a year. 3 fam’s are multiple dwellings and a little research made it clear that there’s really no grey area. you can play the odds that you won’t get caught if you so choose, but you have zero grounds to back yourself up if you’re ever called out.

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How about if I offer my basement apartmet for airbnb rental?

mnicaj | 9 years and 1 month ago

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How about if I offer my basement apartmet for airbnb rental?

eileengray | 9 years and 1 month ago

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Dorys: did you read any of the above comments. It is not legal to have transient tenants unless you have a Certificate of Occupancy for such use; and are operating as a hotel or short stay business.

daveinbedstuy | 9 years and 1 month ago

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Dory: Fine as long as your building is only a two family

rastermon | 9 years and 1 month ago

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I think Eileen says it pretty succinctly. You need to have a certificate of occupancy allowing hotel use in order to legally operate a hotel. Doesn’t matter whether you have a 2 family or a 3 family or more – it needs to have a hotel C of O if you want to rent a unit on Airbnb. Of course you could probably do it and get away with it, but the penalties might be pretty severe if the city cracks down.

rastermon | 9 years and 1 month ago

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Also there is the hotel occupancy tax / sales tax issue. If you get caught avoiding those taxes that could also be a serious penalty.

cmu | 9 years and 1 month ago

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Otoh, someone I know has been renting 2 units in a 3-unit, short-term for 15 years and counting….pretty sure there’s no hotel-use license…