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“Leader?
If you think yes, I would ask: how has he shown leadership?”
benson, I don’t exactly know what you mean by ‘leadership’. Also I don’t know how you one can separate leadership from bad decision-making. You can be a great leader and be guilty of bad decisions and get away with it for a long time.
I would probably say no. Was this Obama, or was this Obama caving to Hillary (who constantly needs to show that she has balls) and the military and the CIA?
If we’re helping protesters in Libya, who’s next? Saudi Arabia?
They have all of our oil over there, dammit.
By Montrose Morris on March 23, 2011 5:12 PM
“Leader, yes. The same kind of Cowboy/GI Joe leader as Reagan or Bush, no. This is not the same world, the same kind of leadership is not what is required. We don’t need the macho gunslinging, my parts are bigger than everyone else’s kind of leadership.
I think Obama was holding back for several reasons. One, Libya is a sovereign country, no matter how horrible its leadership. Going in there takes thought and consideration.
Two, this part of the world is a mess. The last thing the US needs is to get involved. We can’t afford the wars we have.
We cannot be the supercops of the world, no matter how righteous the cause, or how heinous the dictator. We must allow other countries, especially those with long relationships in the area, to get involved and take the lead. The US does not have to be the first out of the boat and invading the beach.
I believe he was holding out for diplomatic solutions, or maybe for some of the nations of the Arab world to stop bitching and start acting. They love to call us to fix their messes, and then complain when we want to leave, or complain that we’re there at all.
Lastly, Obama is his own man, who does things in his own way. He is a thinker, as well as a doer. I am willing to give him the time to tell us what the plan is. I much prefer that to seeing him in a flight suit on the deck of the Intrepid, telling me “Mission accomplished.” The same people bitching that he went into war without consulting them, would be bitching no matter what he did or didn’t do.”
So you’re saying it wasn’t March Madness?
The Tidal Basin was the scene of a scandalous drunken incident involving the Chairman of the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Ways and Means, Democratic Congressman Wilbur Mills. On October 7, 1974, Mills’ car, with an Argentine stripper known as Fanne Foxe in the back with Mills and driven by a former Nixon staffer, was stopped by US Park police late at night because the driver had not turned on the headlights. Mills was intoxicated and his face was cut from a scuffle with Foxe. When police approached the car, Foxe leapt from the car and jumped into the nearby Tidal Basin. Despite the scandal, Mills was re-elected to Congress in November 1974 with 60% of the vote, but in December he drunkenly staggered onstage at a Boston strip club where Ms. Foxe was performing. Soon after this second embarrassment Mills was forced to step down from his chairmanship of the Ways and Means Committee. Mills eventually acknowledged his alcoholism, sought treatment at the West Palm Beach Institute, and joined Alcoholics Anonymous. He did not seek re-election in 1976.[1]
“The voliatility in oil was all well after the Iraq invasion”
It’s nice to see even Bush-supporting Republicans now referring to it as an invasion and not a war.
Who was it that drove into the tidal basin with Fannie Flag or someone in the car????
I saw Foggy Bottom on the map when we were in DC last weekend and wasn’t sure what it was. Now I know.
Thanks OT!
“or maybe for some of the nations of the Arab world to stop bitching and start acting. They love to call us to fix their messes, and then complain when we want to leave, or complain that we’re there at all.”
I certainly agree with that.
So far, this “war” is pretty cheap in Pentagon terms, and looks like it will stay that way.
There is no comparison to Iraq or Afghanistan.
Clinton committed much larger amounts of resources in the Balkans.
I find myself having a hard time getting excited about the military action in Libya one way or the other.
“Legion- Iraq was a war for oil – unlike Libya, which is a limited operation supposedly. Where were all the screams about no war for oil when Bush went into Iraq? Because you must admit, what other reason was there?”
bxgirl, I’m a simple numbers guy. So, if Iraq was a ‘war for oil’, pls answer the following questions:
a. Why is oil 3x the price of when we invaded.
b. Pls advise who many barrels of oil we are getting from Iraq.
Looks like we lost the war.