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“That’s ridiculous. And totally off point for this particular issue. If they shouted racist comments about the President, they would be labeled racist too.
Besides which, if you notice, they are not classifying the protesters by their political affiliation- because many of them are also republicans.”
bxgrl,
you know full well that these protestors in Wisconsin, many of them there under false pretenses, are being given the full royal treatment in the press.
They are seen as consciencious objectors to the tyranny of government.
I don’t recall the Tea Party rallies being all about calling the President names. In fact the incidence of name-calling and ugly picket signs was low compared to Bush era protests.
The overall point though is this,
the major media respects these protestors moving against a Republican led effort,
the major media does not respect protestors moving against their own Democratic President. In fact they make every effort to make them appear to be a mass of idiot nutballs.
it’s not tastebuds that’s the problem ken, it’s moonface marketing tactics!
*rob*
LOL Rob, GIVE UP ALREADY! :o)
What if you met a moonface who made money on selling high end ice cream and he/she offered you to be his au pair and pay you loads of money, free rent, unlimited 40s and newports. would you take it?
I think the public employees unions (or at lest the ones with more than a few years seniority) should do everything they can to stop the Wisconsin bill – it is in their own self interest to preserve the existing system.
The same thing goes for public employees unions in other states – they have much to loose if the Wisconsin changes happen and are exported to other states.
For the rest of the people in Wisconsin that do not work for the state government, they will be mostly better off if the changes pass. They will get essentially the same amount of government services for less tax dollars.
Actually, the best coffee that I get, aside from in a really good restaurant, is on Amtrak. McDonalds is much better (and cheaper) than Dunkin Donuts. This is all from my Monday morning coming from Philadelphia. Every other day we have coffee here in the offfice.
BHS- most of the public employees I have met and know, vote republican. My guess is, they will still support the union. The UFA is a case in point. I know a lot them, they vote Republican, but support the union.
So you believe that the union shouldn’t give in on wages and health care and insurance and SOME bargaining power and that 6-10,000 people should lose their jobs.
that is what we’re talking about here. that’s the bottom line. If you believe that then you are as bad and as thick headed as union management.
Dave, cheap insults don’t work on me, so don’t even try.
Please show me where I said any of the above. I did not. I said that the right to bargain should not be given away. The unions in Wisconsin ALREADY made concessions regarding paying more on their insurance, and took wage cuts. The governor wants more. By taking away their right to collective bargaining, he wants to be the daddy to dictate terms to his children, in the name of “their own good”.
But the system is not set up that way. He is but one daddy, bargaining with other daddies on the block to share the use of the playground. He may have the bankbook, but the others have the car, the keys to the playground, and all the sports equipment. I’m not saying that the unions are golden, and have never done wrong, I’m saying they have rights, rights that were legislated when most of the people in this fight were a glimmer in their parent’s eyes, and rights that should be included, and considered in their negotiations.
A fiscal crisis is an reason for everyone to sacrifice, and everyone should. The economy did not fail because unions took more than they should, it failed for a number of reasons, most of which had more to do with corporate greed, and an inability to think long term. It’s not going to be easy to fix, and CANNOT be fixed on the backs of teachers and civil servants alone.
“That’s ridiculous. And totally off point for this particular issue. If they shouted racist comments about the President, they would be labeled racist too.
Besides which, if you notice, they are not classifying the protesters by their political affiliation- because many of them are also republicans.”
bxgrl,
you know full well that these protestors in Wisconsin, many of them there under false pretenses, are being given the full royal treatment in the press.
They are seen as consciencious objectors to the tyranny of government.
I don’t recall the Tea Party rallies being all about calling the President names. In fact the incidence of name-calling and ugly picket signs was low compared to Bush era protests.
The overall point though is this,
the major media respects these protestors moving against a Republican led effort,
the major media does not respect protestors moving against their own Democratic President. In fact they make every effort to make them appear to be a mass of idiot nutballs.
By Butterfly on February 22, 2011 2:53 PM
it’s not tastebuds that’s the problem ken, it’s moonface marketing tactics!
*rob*
LOL Rob, GIVE UP ALREADY! :o)
What if you met a moonface who made money on selling high end ice cream and he/she offered you to be his au pair and pay you loads of money, free rent, unlimited 40s and newports. would you take it?
I think the public employees unions (or at lest the ones with more than a few years seniority) should do everything they can to stop the Wisconsin bill – it is in their own self interest to preserve the existing system.
The same thing goes for public employees unions in other states – they have much to loose if the Wisconsin changes happen and are exported to other states.
For the rest of the people in Wisconsin that do not work for the state government, they will be mostly better off if the changes pass. They will get essentially the same amount of government services for less tax dollars.
Yeah, Dunkin Donuts wants to be in the gourmet coffee business. Over the summer I got a small very expensive cup and it was bad.
Actually, the best coffee that I get, aside from in a really good restaurant, is on Amtrak. McDonalds is much better (and cheaper) than Dunkin Donuts. This is all from my Monday morning coming from Philadelphia. Every other day we have coffee here in the offfice.
Legion@ 2:59. That is really true, Legion. Lies have consequences, even small lies.
BHS- most of the public employees I have met and know, vote republican. My guess is, they will still support the union. The UFA is a case in point. I know a lot them, they vote Republican, but support the union.
Btw- what arts unions? Is there one I can join? 🙂
So you believe that the union shouldn’t give in on wages and health care and insurance and SOME bargaining power and that 6-10,000 people should lose their jobs.
that is what we’re talking about here. that’s the bottom line. If you believe that then you are as bad and as thick headed as union management.
Dave, cheap insults don’t work on me, so don’t even try.
Please show me where I said any of the above. I did not. I said that the right to bargain should not be given away. The unions in Wisconsin ALREADY made concessions regarding paying more on their insurance, and took wage cuts. The governor wants more. By taking away their right to collective bargaining, he wants to be the daddy to dictate terms to his children, in the name of “their own good”.
But the system is not set up that way. He is but one daddy, bargaining with other daddies on the block to share the use of the playground. He may have the bankbook, but the others have the car, the keys to the playground, and all the sports equipment. I’m not saying that the unions are golden, and have never done wrong, I’m saying they have rights, rights that were legislated when most of the people in this fight were a glimmer in their parent’s eyes, and rights that should be included, and considered in their negotiations.
A fiscal crisis is an reason for everyone to sacrifice, and everyone should. The economy did not fail because unions took more than they should, it failed for a number of reasons, most of which had more to do with corporate greed, and an inability to think long term. It’s not going to be easy to fix, and CANNOT be fixed on the backs of teachers and civil servants alone.
Dibs, what do you think the chances are for a late day bounce?
Or a rally tomorrow?