Lechacal: You will not get invited to my home unless I know exactly who you are. (a number of brownstoner regulars have been in my home).
It is an interesting question this one of identity – cyber and real life. It has moved here from Avatars to Fun/fantasy names to real people and real friendship. But obviously not for everybody, some of whom want to/need to protect their real identity. But when you integrate a brownstoner friend into your “real” life, i.e. your home, meeting your family, other friends who are part of your life, it has to shift from virtual to very real.
I tell people at gatherings my real name and my user name. But I have to know you too. But after years of calling someone by their user name it’s really hard to remember their real name (my apologies to everyone) 🙂
“HA! Just had an image of him with long, pink nails, cracking gum and answering phones :-)”
Ikshnay on the isclosuresday, already! (Actually, he’s more Rosemary Woods, maintaining secrets scrupulously.)
Yes, there’s a certain trust that’s been developed among those who’ve socialized not to fold in-person disclosures back onto the OT. We can only enforce it morally, but we’ve generally done well, and Mr. B helps when needed.
this reminds me of convo I had with the wife when I asked if she wanted to join me at these stoner gatherings. She asked what’s the protocol on introducing myself. do I say I’m Mrs M4L or my real name? Do I only say my real name to folks who introduce themselve with their real name? Do I stay hush giving out real name when others who introduced themselves with ID are standing nearby? after going thru various scenarios with her, she found it too complicated and weird.
I agree with snappy too. And after some awful experience with trolls, there’s good reason to keep personal info off the OT.
benson- that’s a lovely definition and I agree the US SHOULD be a force for good in the world.But it isn’t always and we shouldn’t believe blindly in our exceptionalism. That’s much more dangerous-
From bartleby.com:
Carl Schurz (1829–1906)
QUOTATION: The Senator from Wisconsin cannot frighten me by exclaiming, “My country, right or wrong.†In one sense I say so too. My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
ATTRIBUTION: Senator CARL SCHURZ, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872, The Congressional Globe, vol. 45, p. 1287. The Globe merely notes “[Manifestations of applause in the galleries]†but according to Schurz’s biographer, “The applause in the gallery was deafening.†This is “one of Schurz’s most frequently quoted replies.â€â€”Hans L. Trefousse, Carl Schurz: A Biography, chapter 11, p. 180 (1982).
Schurz expanded on this theme in a speech delivered at the Anti-Imperialistic Conference, Chicago, Illinois, October 17, 1899: “I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves … too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: ‘Our country, right or wrong!’ They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism”
Compare the intelligence and love of country in that with Palin’s “mock patriotism.
Snappy, I know. And I know your comments weren’t directed at me. Frankly, this is a convo that would best be had over Chinese food. Jussayin’.
Lechacal: You will not get invited to my home unless I know exactly who you are. (a number of brownstoner regulars have been in my home).
It is an interesting question this one of identity – cyber and real life. It has moved here from Avatars to Fun/fantasy names to real people and real friendship. But obviously not for everybody, some of whom want to/need to protect their real identity. But when you integrate a brownstoner friend into your “real” life, i.e. your home, meeting your family, other friends who are part of your life, it has to shift from virtual to very real.
I tell people at gatherings my real name and my user name. But I have to know you too. But after years of calling someone by their user name it’s really hard to remember their real name (my apologies to everyone) 🙂
Arkady, you have shared your full name on the OT.
“HA! Just had an image of him with long, pink nails, cracking gum and answering phones :-)”
Ikshnay on the isclosuresday, already! (Actually, he’s more Rosemary Woods, maintaining secrets scrupulously.)
Yes, there’s a certain trust that’s been developed among those who’ve socialized not to fold in-person disclosures back onto the OT. We can only enforce it morally, but we’ve generally done well, and Mr. B helps when needed.
Cargar, we aren’t disagreeing really.
this reminds me of convo I had with the wife when I asked if she wanted to join me at these stoner gatherings. She asked what’s the protocol on introducing myself. do I say I’m Mrs M4L or my real name? Do I only say my real name to folks who introduce themselve with their real name? Do I stay hush giving out real name when others who introduced themselves with ID are standing nearby? after going thru various scenarios with her, she found it too complicated and weird.
I get kind of creeped out when I’m open with someone about who I am and they want to be coy about who they are.
I agree with snappy too. And after some awful experience with trolls, there’s good reason to keep personal info off the OT.
benson- that’s a lovely definition and I agree the US SHOULD be a force for good in the world.But it isn’t always and we shouldn’t believe blindly in our exceptionalism. That’s much more dangerous-
From bartleby.com:
Carl Schurz (1829–1906)
QUOTATION: The Senator from Wisconsin cannot frighten me by exclaiming, “My country, right or wrong.†In one sense I say so too. My country; and my country is the great American Republic. My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.
ATTRIBUTION: Senator CARL SCHURZ, remarks in the Senate, February 29, 1872, The Congressional Globe, vol. 45, p. 1287. The Globe merely notes “[Manifestations of applause in the galleries]†but according to Schurz’s biographer, “The applause in the gallery was deafening.†This is “one of Schurz’s most frequently quoted replies.â€â€”Hans L. Trefousse, Carl Schurz: A Biography, chapter 11, p. 180 (1982).
Schurz expanded on this theme in a speech delivered at the Anti-Imperialistic Conference, Chicago, Illinois, October 17, 1899: “I confidently trust that the American people will prove themselves … too wise not to detect the false pride or the dangerous ambitions or the selfish schemes which so often hide themselves under that deceptive cry of mock patriotism: ‘Our country, right or wrong!’ They will not fail to recognize that our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism”
Compare the intelligence and love of country in that with Palin’s “mock patriotism.