Oh, and if I go to a town and I see nothing but skinny white women with fake blond highlights wearing sweaters and riding boots I’ll just keep driving.
it’s only worth moving to the suburbs with extremely extremely high taxes otherwise youre gonna see yourself surrounded by section 8 voucher holders in 5-10 years.
that’s really the directions are headed. i mean it could be fine if you live in a stable community, usually poor people are more fun to hang around than the upper middle class, tho not as fun as the super duper rich. i guess it’s a toss up.
and 3..2..1.. waiting for fsbc to call me a troll cuz im vocal about my opinions and don’t usuall share opinions with the masses of new brooklyn.
Jackal, my Q is more about what do you specifically prioritize about your choice of a suburb? Besides good school, I mean. Walkable/bikeable neighborhoods or open space? How much does a short commute matter? You wanna walk or drive to the train? Will you both be working in Manhattan? What town does the most detestable partner of your firm live in so you can avoid him on the train(probably Greenwich, CT or UES, so not an issue, I guess)?What amenities are most improtant? What does Mrs. Jackal want?
NYC has peaked as a safe, family-friendly place to buy a home for middle class New Yorkers. We are beginning a long, slow slide back to NYC being a great place to be really wealthy but an increasingly shitty place to try to be safe and raise a family and send your kids to public schools and walk the streets at night. NYC will always be the most exciting place in the country to live for young people, and a massive talent magnet. But the influx of middle class families displacing the working class / urban poor in urban NYC in the last 10 years is an anomaly and we are entering a period of slow retrenchment where the middle class families will increasingly choose the suburbs, where municipal finances are shared with a smaller and more stable base, over NYC, where they are at the whim of a much larger taxpayer base and local resources like schools are at the mercy of citywide finances.
There may be a general trend towards urban living and away from suburban sprawl in the rest of the country, but this will not impact the established suburbs of NYC that are linked to NYC by commuter rail service.
Bottom line: I am short NYC real estate in recently gentrified areas, and long Westchester. Thus my questions this morning.
jackal — Hastings is nice up on the hill. Dobbs Ferry has some interesting backroads way inland from the river. Irvington is a little too manicured for my taste. But if you want to keep your inner contrarian agitated despite the bucolic suburban setting, go live on commie hill in Croton.
Hudson River towns have longer average train commute to GC than the other Metro North lines for comparable distance from Manhattan. Pelham is nice, with nice houses, good schools and short commute but if you’re going to pay all that money to live that close to other people you may as well stay in the Slope. You’ll find Pelham’s republicans are either Rockefeller republicans or old school blue collar ethnic (mostly older, pre-gentrification) and that its dems are more moderate than in, say, Hastings.
First Q is why are you moving — schools, woods, neighborhoods, semi-isolation, what do you want out of a suburb?
“the perfect mix of elitism without douchebaggery, snobbery, or overeducated liberal white person syndrome.”
How about Anchorage, Alaska?
Oh, and if I go to a town and I see nothing but skinny white women with fake blond highlights wearing sweaters and riding boots I’ll just keep driving.
it’s only worth moving to the suburbs with extremely extremely high taxes otherwise youre gonna see yourself surrounded by section 8 voucher holders in 5-10 years.
that’s really the directions are headed. i mean it could be fine if you live in a stable community, usually poor people are more fun to hang around than the upper middle class, tho not as fun as the super duper rich. i guess it’s a toss up.
and 3..2..1.. waiting for fsbc to call me a troll cuz im vocal about my opinions and don’t usuall share opinions with the masses of new brooklyn.
*rob*
Slopefarm, if I did this sort of thing, and that’s a big if, I would look for, in no particular order:
1. Near the Hudson is a big plus (I don’t care much for the stuff in the middle or on the sound).
2. Short commute is important.
3. Decent schools, but I’m nowhere near as high maintenance about schools as most people are.
4. Length of trip to VT matters.
5. Wife wants to be able to walk to town center.
6. Some good friends are actively considering the same thing. Where they land matters.
7. What I said earlier about finding the perfect mix of elitism without douchebaggery, snobbery, or overeducated liberal white person syndrome.
Who is to say that jackal isn’t the most detestible partner?
Jackal, my Q is more about what do you specifically prioritize about your choice of a suburb? Besides good school, I mean. Walkable/bikeable neighborhoods or open space? How much does a short commute matter? You wanna walk or drive to the train? Will you both be working in Manhattan? What town does the most detestable partner of your firm live in so you can avoid him on the train(probably Greenwich, CT or UES, so not an issue, I guess)?What amenities are most improtant? What does Mrs. Jackal want?
I’d look into the finances of those small towns before I counted on what the real estate taxes are.
My views on the next 15 years:
NYC has peaked as a safe, family-friendly place to buy a home for middle class New Yorkers. We are beginning a long, slow slide back to NYC being a great place to be really wealthy but an increasingly shitty place to try to be safe and raise a family and send your kids to public schools and walk the streets at night. NYC will always be the most exciting place in the country to live for young people, and a massive talent magnet. But the influx of middle class families displacing the working class / urban poor in urban NYC in the last 10 years is an anomaly and we are entering a period of slow retrenchment where the middle class families will increasingly choose the suburbs, where municipal finances are shared with a smaller and more stable base, over NYC, where they are at the whim of a much larger taxpayer base and local resources like schools are at the mercy of citywide finances.
There may be a general trend towards urban living and away from suburban sprawl in the rest of the country, but this will not impact the established suburbs of NYC that are linked to NYC by commuter rail service.
Bottom line: I am short NYC real estate in recently gentrified areas, and long Westchester. Thus my questions this morning.
jackal — Hastings is nice up on the hill. Dobbs Ferry has some interesting backroads way inland from the river. Irvington is a little too manicured for my taste. But if you want to keep your inner contrarian agitated despite the bucolic suburban setting, go live on commie hill in Croton.
Hudson River towns have longer average train commute to GC than the other Metro North lines for comparable distance from Manhattan. Pelham is nice, with nice houses, good schools and short commute but if you’re going to pay all that money to live that close to other people you may as well stay in the Slope. You’ll find Pelham’s republicans are either Rockefeller republicans or old school blue collar ethnic (mostly older, pre-gentrification) and that its dems are more moderate than in, say, Hastings.
First Q is why are you moving — schools, woods, neighborhoods, semi-isolation, what do you want out of a suburb?