lech- look at the up-and-coming formerly ghetto areas that were full of rich people before they became ghetto and then were full of richer people before then and before that were farms.
While RE is cyclical on some level, the landscape also does really change- NY isn’t going back to farms or mansions, and the suburban migration that we had in the 70s/80s also won’t happen the same way next time, since the areas that were getting developed have been developed, and now those houses are getting crappy and run-down.
I think NY as a fairly rich/mixed area is more normative than NY as a shithole, that the 80s were the anomaly more than now is.
(Though the NYC->Westchester back might be more consistent as a cycle, since those are both pretty established suburbs, and populated by rich people who have more options for fixing up their suburban villa.)
I have a mini display port to hdmi adaptor and a 6′ hdmi cable.
plugged into macbook and input5 on my aquos tv.
selected input5 from tv remote.
Nothing happens. rebooted, etc.
Where on the macbook should I see if recognizes TV connected? what am I doing wrong?
Lech, I think that there is a big change in demographics which also are part of the differences we see now. More single households, for one. And one of the statistics we saw when we were looking at this on brownstoner in the past, is that population growth in New York City on a net basis is due to increase in native population, i.e. more births due to immigrants higher birth rate and longer life spans. No net population inflows. I think that there is a shifting around of the less affluent within New York City, but I think that if you factor in schools, space, support for families there have always been powerful arguments for the suburbs.
“Check out the price differential between Westchester and Park Slope these days and consider the price differential 10, 20, 30 years ago. I think NYC as a middle class family destination is an anomaly and will be slowly reversed”
Jackal, I wouldn’t use those periods as your baseline. Differences in crime and schools. Prolly some regression to mean particularly since suburbs were hit harder prcie wise by recent economy, but social factors play a role here, too. Also, more 2-income families now with both parents working in Manhattan. One reason we backed off of suburb move is idea of having us both stuck in City if something happened at school or home that needed in-person attention. this was, of course, shortly post 9/11 when we were thinking about this stuff.
Dona, look at all of these new condos in areas that were basically ghetto 10 years ago. This is big influx of middle class people (by NYC standards) pushing out the working class / urban poor.
Demand in the city takes demand away from the suburbs. And vice versa.
Check out the price differential between Westchester and Park Slope these days and consider the price differential 10, 20, 30 years ago. I think NYC as a middle class family destination is an anomaly and will be slowly reversed.
Lech, re your thinking about New York City as a place to bring up a family, how is this changing? Families have always been attracted to the suburbs for these reasons.
“if you factor in schools, space, support for families there have always been powerful arguments for the suburbs.”
And if you factor in the suburbs, there are powerful arguments for the city. 😉
lech- look at the up-and-coming formerly ghetto areas that were full of rich people before they became ghetto and then were full of richer people before then and before that were farms.
While RE is cyclical on some level, the landscape also does really change- NY isn’t going back to farms or mansions, and the suburban migration that we had in the 70s/80s also won’t happen the same way next time, since the areas that were getting developed have been developed, and now those houses are getting crappy and run-down.
I think NY as a fairly rich/mixed area is more normative than NY as a shithole, that the 80s were the anomaly more than now is.
(Though the NYC->Westchester back might be more consistent as a cycle, since those are both pretty established suburbs, and populated by rich people who have more options for fixing up their suburban villa.)
I have a mini display port to hdmi adaptor and a 6′ hdmi cable.
plugged into macbook and input5 on my aquos tv.
selected input5 from tv remote.
Nothing happens. rebooted, etc.
Where on the macbook should I see if recognizes TV connected? what am I doing wrong?
All depends on which suburb as well. My impression is that some suburbs have stayed pleasant with good schools etc and some have gone downhill.
Lech, I think that there is a big change in demographics which also are part of the differences we see now. More single households, for one. And one of the statistics we saw when we were looking at this on brownstoner in the past, is that population growth in New York City on a net basis is due to increase in native population, i.e. more births due to immigrants higher birth rate and longer life spans. No net population inflows. I think that there is a shifting around of the less affluent within New York City, but I think that if you factor in schools, space, support for families there have always been powerful arguments for the suburbs.
“Check out the price differential between Westchester and Park Slope these days and consider the price differential 10, 20, 30 years ago. I think NYC as a middle class family destination is an anomaly and will be slowly reversed”
Jackal, I wouldn’t use those periods as your baseline. Differences in crime and schools. Prolly some regression to mean particularly since suburbs were hit harder prcie wise by recent economy, but social factors play a role here, too. Also, more 2-income families now with both parents working in Manhattan. One reason we backed off of suburb move is idea of having us both stuck in City if something happened at school or home that needed in-person attention. this was, of course, shortly post 9/11 when we were thinking about this stuff.
Dona, look at all of these new condos in areas that were basically ghetto 10 years ago. This is big influx of middle class people (by NYC standards) pushing out the working class / urban poor.
Demand in the city takes demand away from the suburbs. And vice versa.
Check out the price differential between Westchester and Park Slope these days and consider the price differential 10, 20, 30 years ago. I think NYC as a middle class family destination is an anomaly and will be slowly reversed.
way too easy to turn that WF thread into a debate about wal-mart
Lech, re your thinking about New York City as a place to bring up a family, how is this changing? Families have always been attracted to the suburbs for these reasons.