MM, I am very uncomfortable with the burka, and one of the things that make me so is that we never saw any, pre-9/11.
American Islam has been getting more conservative,for sure, and that also makes me uncomfortable. In PS, all the Muslim shopowners always sold beer. Now many of them don’t.
This can’t be good for ‘freedom’.
I’m equally uncomfortable banning them, but otoh I wouldn’t want to give my money to a teller with one, nor turn over my kid to a teacher with one.
“as an indication of what lies ahead if we are not prepared for the cultural balkanization that occurs when we take a step too far away from questioning the “customs” being imported into the USA.”
Wonder what the Native Americans thought of the “customs” that were imported into this country by Legions forefathers.
Yes, ishtar most of the Muslim population is from former colonies (or one generation removed) in France and in the UK.
In Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands that’s not the case.
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I wouldn’t rag on rob if he were writing the Great American Novel, trying to be the next Lady Gaga, or the next Picasso.
:-/ why you assume that i dont write or do anything artistic is really odd. some people have no desire to be the next lady gaga. newsflash, she’s a spoiled pampered brat with a gimmick and a coke problem. hardly something to aspire to!
picasso used to beat on women!
and as for the next great american novel, im not sure HOW i can compete with with 40,000 aspiring novelists who sit on their asses in coffee shops all day staring at facebook and tweeting how good their organic free trade coffee is while the rest of the world is out doing real work.
Legion, you scare me. We still have freedom of religion in this country. It is very hard to separate tradition from religion, so deciding what traditions people can and cannot practice, because outsiders don’t like or understand them is not the road to a more tolerant society. France is wrong.
If we ban the burqa, all we are doing is forcing traditional religious Muslim women into their homes, never to come out again. How does that help them? How does that integrate them into American society, or teach them the joys of tolerant America? It won’t. Like it or not, they are part of a male dominated society whose tradition will not allow them out of the house without being totally covered. Take away that covering, they will not be running free and uncovered in the street, the way we want them to, they will be confined to their homes, denied any opportunity to get out of the house at all. No shopping, no taking the kids to school, probably no mosque even, if being seen on the street is some kind of crime. How is that different from prison? How is that America, land of the free?
Most French don’t wear deodorant. I bet a lot of them do not wash their hair on a daily basis.
They are the least tolerant of all European nations when it comes to outsiders.
you’re all so damn sexy when you try to save the world.
“:-/ why you assume that i dont write or do anything artistic is really odd.”
Until I actually get my own personal painted stick, I don’t believe it either.
MM, I am very uncomfortable with the burka, and one of the things that make me so is that we never saw any, pre-9/11.
American Islam has been getting more conservative,for sure, and that also makes me uncomfortable. In PS, all the Muslim shopowners always sold beer. Now many of them don’t.
This can’t be good for ‘freedom’.
I’m equally uncomfortable banning them, but otoh I wouldn’t want to give my money to a teller with one, nor turn over my kid to a teacher with one.
Tough issue.
That post needs editing. Badly.
“as an indication of what lies ahead if we are not prepared for the cultural balkanization that occurs when we take a step too far away from questioning the “customs” being imported into the USA.”
Wonder what the Native Americans thought of the “customs” that were imported into this country by Legions forefathers.
Yes, ishtar most of the Muslim population is from former colonies (or one generation removed) in France and in the UK.
In Germany, Sweden and the Netherlands that’s not the case.
quote:
I wouldn’t rag on rob if he were writing the Great American Novel, trying to be the next Lady Gaga, or the next Picasso.
:-/ why you assume that i dont write or do anything artistic is really odd. some people have no desire to be the next lady gaga. newsflash, she’s a spoiled pampered brat with a gimmick and a coke problem. hardly something to aspire to!
picasso used to beat on women!
and as for the next great american novel, im not sure HOW i can compete with with 40,000 aspiring novelists who sit on their asses in coffee shops all day staring at facebook and tweeting how good their organic free trade coffee is while the rest of the world is out doing real work.
spare me, denton.
*rob*
Legion, you scare me. We still have freedom of religion in this country. It is very hard to separate tradition from religion, so deciding what traditions people can and cannot practice, because outsiders don’t like or understand them is not the road to a more tolerant society. France is wrong.
If we ban the burqa, all we are doing is forcing traditional religious Muslim women into their homes, never to come out again. How does that help them? How does that integrate them into American society, or teach them the joys of tolerant America? It won’t. Like it or not, they are part of a male dominated society whose tradition will not allow them out of the house without being totally covered. Take away that covering, they will not be running free and uncovered in the street, the way we want them to, they will be confined to their homes, denied any opportunity to get out of the house at all. No shopping, no taking the kids to school, probably no mosque even, if being seen on the street is some kind of crime. How is that different from prison? How is that America, land of the free?