I’m liking this discussion. I tend to agree with ENY at 1:08 but respect all the views posted here. No one likes to be called racist, but we all stereotype people in many ways. Being the victim of racism is cetainly worse than being called a racist and one cannot wish away centuries of hurt. Saying I am not racist is not the same as saying there is no racism, and ENY’s point about toughening up is that being called racist is an opportunity to say something like “I disagree but I am curious about why you feel that way.”
Obama, through his presence, words and actions is going to lead to a lot of conversations and a lot of reevaluations of perceptions and attitudes about race and racism. I am hoping we as a nation emerge at the end of his presidency farther along the road to a real reconciliation and that arguments about racism along the lines “am not” “are too” become a thing of the past.
I did not see the cartoon before hearing about the uproar about it. I am willing to give the cartoonist some benefit of the doubt on his intended meaning. But it us hard to imagine that the objectionable connotation did not occur to any editors. I agree with those that say NYP was within its rights to publish, but there is no right to be immune from controversy and discussion. Supposedly, that is how we advance.
I’m sure this will sound awful, but I think seeing Al protesting something different on almost a daily basis dilutes his message and, to me at least, he often comes across as an opportunist. While I believe he’s been involved in many noble causes, I think he has way too much baggage at this point from often blindly jumping the gun and being involved in some ill-advised protests. It’s time for someone new.
THL: His cartoons are awful. Well, sometimes they’re funny, but they are usually more tasteless than funny. but, then he’s political cartoonist, and for the Post no less! so….
A lot of people were offended by Sam Armisten (is that his name?) impersonation of David Paterson on SNL, not for racial reasons but rather because he seemed to be making fun of blind people.
It’s a tempest in a teapot. And perhaps not coincidentally, the Post was the first to do a series of articles about Al Sharpton’s income tax problems.
I would also like to remind those of you who are quick to call for the demise of the Post, that it was founded by Alexander Hamilton. That was a long time ago.
A Letter To The New York Post Lyrics by Public Enemy
o gee
Come and get your New York Post
New York Post right here
Come on y’all
Get the bost stubost stubost
Coasta coasta New York Post
Yo New York Post don’t brag or boast
Dissin’ flavor when he’s butter that you put on your toast
Put my address in the paper cause I smacked that girl
She’s the mother of my kid’s that I took around the world
Disagreements having scuffles when you share upon
You shouldn’t try to drain subjects in a duck pond
If you’re gonna tell a story about people’s worries
Watch what you tell ’em cause they don’t bring you glory
It only brings agony, ask James Cagney
He beat up on a guy when he found he was a fagney
Cagney is a favorite he is my boy
He don’t jive around he’s a real McCoy
Chuck D yeah, you tellin’ Flav we got to let ’em know
Here’s a letter to the New York Post
The worst piece of paper on the east coast
Matter of fact the whole state’s forty cents
in New York City fifty cents elsewhere
It makes no goddamn sense at all
America’s oldest continuously published daily piece of bullshit
Flavor Flav is the one that makes The Post money
Writers making violence in headlines funny
Tryin’ to undress my past until it’s naked
Post got Flavor from sellin’ no records
Europe Asia to the street of New York
Flavor Flav known for his finesse talk
Do it to ya for The Post to employ me
New York Post can’t destroy me
Rapper of Public Enemy, rapstar beats lover
With the headline of a fucked up cover
Out the pot took plate New York Post
get your story straight motherfucker
It always seem they make our neighborhood look bad
Here’s a letter to the New York Post
Ain’t worth the paper it’s printed on
Founded in 1801 by Alexander Hamilton
That is 190 years continuous of fucked up news
Yo one can play the game, two can play the game
Yo Flav read on can’t forget you either Jet
Flavor Flav is your best Jet yet
My own people own the most business
Write on faith of value’sness
Should have checked with me before you wrote it
Got it from another source and quote it
Put it out like the new year bull drop
In every beauty parlor and barber shop
Flavor Flav world renown
Can’t keep a man like Flavor down
Yo Jet be a good host
Don’t print bull like the New York Post
Augh, looks like somebody slipped up here
Anyway here’s a letter to the New York Post
Black newspaper and magazines are supposed to get the real deal
from the source y’all
Sorry, Jet you took the info straight out of The Post
Burned us just like toast
When it comes to getting you facts straight about P.E.
Get your shit correct
THL, exactly.
Al is a classic case of the boy who cried wolf.
Even when he’s genuinely doing good people will always think Oh boy, what’s Al up to now?
I’m liking this discussion. I tend to agree with ENY at 1:08 but respect all the views posted here. No one likes to be called racist, but we all stereotype people in many ways. Being the victim of racism is cetainly worse than being called a racist and one cannot wish away centuries of hurt. Saying I am not racist is not the same as saying there is no racism, and ENY’s point about toughening up is that being called racist is an opportunity to say something like “I disagree but I am curious about why you feel that way.”
Obama, through his presence, words and actions is going to lead to a lot of conversations and a lot of reevaluations of perceptions and attitudes about race and racism. I am hoping we as a nation emerge at the end of his presidency farther along the road to a real reconciliation and that arguments about racism along the lines “am not” “are too” become a thing of the past.
I did not see the cartoon before hearing about the uproar about it. I am willing to give the cartoonist some benefit of the doubt on his intended meaning. But it us hard to imagine that the objectionable connotation did not occur to any editors. I agree with those that say NYP was within its rights to publish, but there is no right to be immune from controversy and discussion. Supposedly, that is how we advance.
I’m sure this will sound awful, but I think seeing Al protesting something different on almost a daily basis dilutes his message and, to me at least, he often comes across as an opportunist. While I believe he’s been involved in many noble causes, I think he has way too much baggage at this point from often blindly jumping the gun and being involved in some ill-advised protests. It’s time for someone new.
I think Al Sharpton is fair game for just about anything.
THL: His cartoons are awful. Well, sometimes they’re funny, but they are usually more tasteless than funny. but, then he’s political cartoonist, and for the Post no less! so….
A lot of people were offended by Sam Armisten (is that his name?) impersonation of David Paterson on SNL, not for racial reasons but rather because he seemed to be making fun of blind people.
It’s a tempest in a teapot. And perhaps not coincidentally, the Post was the first to do a series of articles about Al Sharpton’s income tax problems.
I would also like to remind those of you who are quick to call for the demise of the Post, that it was founded by Alexander Hamilton. That was a long time ago.
Anyone remember this song?
A Letter To The New York Post Lyrics by Public Enemy
o gee
Come and get your New York Post
New York Post right here
Come on y’all
Get the bost stubost stubost
Coasta coasta New York Post
Yo New York Post don’t brag or boast
Dissin’ flavor when he’s butter that you put on your toast
Put my address in the paper cause I smacked that girl
She’s the mother of my kid’s that I took around the world
Disagreements having scuffles when you share upon
You shouldn’t try to drain subjects in a duck pond
If you’re gonna tell a story about people’s worries
Watch what you tell ’em cause they don’t bring you glory
It only brings agony, ask James Cagney
He beat up on a guy when he found he was a fagney
Cagney is a favorite he is my boy
He don’t jive around he’s a real McCoy
Chuck D yeah, you tellin’ Flav we got to let ’em know
Here’s a letter to the New York Post
The worst piece of paper on the east coast
Matter of fact the whole state’s forty cents
in New York City fifty cents elsewhere
It makes no goddamn sense at all
America’s oldest continuously published daily piece of bullshit
Flavor Flav is the one that makes The Post money
Writers making violence in headlines funny
Tryin’ to undress my past until it’s naked
Post got Flavor from sellin’ no records
Europe Asia to the street of New York
Flavor Flav known for his finesse talk
Do it to ya for The Post to employ me
New York Post can’t destroy me
Rapper of Public Enemy, rapstar beats lover
With the headline of a fucked up cover
Out the pot took plate New York Post
get your story straight motherfucker
It always seem they make our neighborhood look bad
Here’s a letter to the New York Post
Ain’t worth the paper it’s printed on
Founded in 1801 by Alexander Hamilton
That is 190 years continuous of fucked up news
Yo one can play the game, two can play the game
Yo Flav read on can’t forget you either Jet
Flavor Flav is your best Jet yet
My own people own the most business
Write on faith of value’sness
Should have checked with me before you wrote it
Got it from another source and quote it
Put it out like the new year bull drop
In every beauty parlor and barber shop
Flavor Flav world renown
Can’t keep a man like Flavor down
Yo Jet be a good host
Don’t print bull like the New York Post
Augh, looks like somebody slipped up here
Anyway here’s a letter to the New York Post
Black newspaper and magazines are supposed to get the real deal
from the source y’all
Sorry, Jet you took the info straight out of The Post
Burned us just like toast
When it comes to getting you facts straight about P.E.
Get your shit correct
It’ll be a penny stock by the close
I think most political cartoons are pretty lame anyway. There’s no creativity out there anymore. It peaked with Farside
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“If I were a better artist, I’d be a painter, and if I were a better writer, I’d write books.. but I’m not, so I draw cartoons!” Charles M. Schulze