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I do a particular thing. But I’ve done that particular thing in a number of different types of (very good) companies. It confuses the recruiters. They can’t deal with it. They also seem to get very confused when I say things like: I left that job because I wanted time off to travel. (Partly true, but I also despised my boss!) Or, I switched from a ‘X company’ to a ‘Y company because that’s what was available at that time!! They get all cockeyed and headachey looking. Like it hurts their brains!
” they have to sell both ways, you to the company, and the company (salary/position) to you”
Yes, and they talk out of both sides of their mouths doing it.
yeah donatella, of course it’s easy to sell an ivy grad with 10 years of experience in say a top investment bank for another investment bank position. That’s like selling a newly remodeled brownstone in Brooklyn Heights for $300K or selling a brand new high end car for $10K. Doesn’t take much effort to find a good fit.
That’s a great idea, Arkady. I’m tempted to say something. I have to sever any relationship. The only thing that worries me is that I was referred to her by some pretty smart guys, and I worry that it would get back to them. ARGGGHHH!
I seriously want nothing to do with this person, ever again!
“Cobble, these people are representing you and often playing games.”
I know, I know, all too well. I’m so sick of this entire process. I’d go out and get a retail job stocking shelves somewhere, but everyone would tell me I’m over-qualified. : (
A career switcher is a recruiter’s nightmare. Because most are the most conventional/least imaginative of thinkers. They don’t think creatively about the need the client has to fill, i.e. is this position going to solve your problem and likewise, once they get the position to fill, they look for the round peg to fit the round hole (god, don’t start anyone…) and if you deviate even slightly from the conventional career path, it’s “does not compute”.
recruiters are worse than used car salesmen. with car salesman, you sell a product to a person, one way street. with a recruiter, they have to sell both ways, you to the company, and the company (salary/position) to you…It’s a pretty tough job but most of them are sleazebags. I dealt with a few and then refused to use recruiters. Just stuck with direct jobs from companies for the most part. Most recruiters told me I would most likely never be able to make a semi-career switch, so I ignored them and went after it myself and made the switc happen.
Cobble, these people are representing you and often playing games. Sometimes don’t understand the first thing about what you do/have done (so how can they sell you?). The contingent firms are worse than real estate brokers. There are a zillion games they can play, setting up a situation to push another candidate other than you, getting info from you about your own search to send other candidates, etc. If the firms are reputable and are retained for a search, they are better, but you are never the client. The firm is. There are ways to work with these people but I always managed better on my own.
I do a particular thing. But I’ve done that particular thing in a number of different types of (very good) companies. It confuses the recruiters. They can’t deal with it. They also seem to get very confused when I say things like: I left that job because I wanted time off to travel. (Partly true, but I also despised my boss!) Or, I switched from a ‘X company’ to a ‘Y company because that’s what was available at that time!! They get all cockeyed and headachey looking. Like it hurts their brains!
” they have to sell both ways, you to the company, and the company (salary/position) to you”
Yes, and they talk out of both sides of their mouths doing it.
“11217 – stick around!! Where have you been eating/drinking lately?”
Eating:
Lot 2 on 19th and 6th. The burger = YUM!
Prime Meats – everything – YUM!
Franny’s – had an incredible meal there a few weeks ago.
Drinking:
Been hanging at The Bell House a lot lately.
yeah donatella, of course it’s easy to sell an ivy grad with 10 years of experience in say a top investment bank for another investment bank position. That’s like selling a newly remodeled brownstone in Brooklyn Heights for $300K or selling a brand new high end car for $10K. Doesn’t take much effort to find a good fit.
That’s a great idea, Arkady. I’m tempted to say something. I have to sever any relationship. The only thing that worries me is that I was referred to her by some pretty smart guys, and I worry that it would get back to them. ARGGGHHH!
I seriously want nothing to do with this person, ever again!
“Cobble, these people are representing you and often playing games.”
I know, I know, all too well. I’m so sick of this entire process. I’d go out and get a retail job stocking shelves somewhere, but everyone would tell me I’m over-qualified. : (
A career switcher is a recruiter’s nightmare. Because most are the most conventional/least imaginative of thinkers. They don’t think creatively about the need the client has to fill, i.e. is this position going to solve your problem and likewise, once they get the position to fill, they look for the round peg to fit the round hole (god, don’t start anyone…) and if you deviate even slightly from the conventional career path, it’s “does not compute”.
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recruiters are worse than used car salesmen. with car salesman, you sell a product to a person, one way street. with a recruiter, they have to sell both ways, you to the company, and the company (salary/position) to you…It’s a pretty tough job but most of them are sleazebags. I dealt with a few and then refused to use recruiters. Just stuck with direct jobs from companies for the most part. Most recruiters told me I would most likely never be able to make a semi-career switch, so I ignored them and went after it myself and made the switc happen.
dibs – Did you see the kitten on the tortoise video on ICHC yesterday? Really adorable.
Cobble, these people are representing you and often playing games. Sometimes don’t understand the first thing about what you do/have done (so how can they sell you?). The contingent firms are worse than real estate brokers. There are a zillion games they can play, setting up a situation to push another candidate other than you, getting info from you about your own search to send other candidates, etc. If the firms are reputable and are retained for a search, they are better, but you are never the client. The firm is. There are ways to work with these people but I always managed better on my own.