You bemoan the employees not being able to get $12-18/hour – but maybe that’s overpaid to what the work actually entailed. Companies exist to generate a return for their shareholders. If they are going to be loss-making indefinitely as a result of the union’s demands (whether reasonable or not)
“Carnegie Hall had an operating shortfall of $40.2 million in 2007-2008. After including funds from donors, investment income and government grants, the hall ended the season with a $1.9 million surplus.”
“What do you give shit what they asked for? It’s called a NEGOTIATION, say it with me MEGOTIATIOn, you ask for more than you think you’re gonna get…”
Joe,
Absolutely right. And the converse part of that statement is that people and managers also have a right to avoid union labor when they think they are not getting good value for their money. I would submit to you that when folks from the right (me) to the left (Arkady) feel that unions have overplayed their hand, they have indeed worn out their welcome with alot of folks.
Also, please spare me the stuff about unions creating the middle class. I’ve been in the manufacturing sector in my entire professional life, and unions had a big role in the destruction of that sector. I used to work closely with a unionized machine shop in NJ. Some of the guys there, who made a salary equal to mine as an engineer, used to openly brag about how little work they did, and how the management couldn’t do anything about it.
My grandfather was a big union supporter – Press for 60-some years. We couldn’t bring in a grocery product if there were no press union “bug” on the wrapper. But when they tried to mau-mau my brother into a teacher’s union at SUNY, even my grandfather said he should fight it because it didn’t represent what unions are supposed to stand for.
The reasons for unions hardly exist anymore…..
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2009 9:59 AM
So true… but it’s not only the stereotypical blue collar worker’s union that needs reform. Some of the worst corruption and socialist behaviors are found in the white collar unions such as the United Federation of Teachers. This group in particular should be reformed or perhaps abolished. The underpaid teacher is a socialist myth long perpetuated by the UFT and it’s socialist core beliefs.
Joe, I don’t know anything about the Stella D’Oro situation so I just googled it.
You bemoan the employees not being able to get $12-18/hour – but maybe that’s overpaid to what the work actually entailed. Companies exist to generate a return for their shareholders. If they are going to be loss-making indefinitely as a result of the union’s demands (whether reasonable or not) then they close down.
Gem!! welcome back!!
Broken bells must be really new since they don’t have a playlist on imeem yet!
You bemoan the employees not being able to get $12-18/hour – but maybe that’s overpaid to what the work actually entailed. Companies exist to generate a return for their shareholders. If they are going to be loss-making indefinitely as a result of the union’s demands (whether reasonable or not)
Who in NYC can live on $12 an hour?!
“Carnegie Hall had an operating shortfall of $40.2 million in 2007-2008. After including funds from donors, investment income and government grants, the hall ended the season with a $1.9 million surplus.”
government grants eh?
“What do you give shit what they asked for? It’s called a NEGOTIATION, say it with me MEGOTIATIOn, you ask for more than you think you’re gonna get…”
Joe,
Absolutely right. And the converse part of that statement is that people and managers also have a right to avoid union labor when they think they are not getting good value for their money. I would submit to you that when folks from the right (me) to the left (Arkady) feel that unions have overplayed their hand, they have indeed worn out their welcome with alot of folks.
Also, please spare me the stuff about unions creating the middle class. I’ve been in the manufacturing sector in my entire professional life, and unions had a big role in the destruction of that sector. I used to work closely with a unionized machine shop in NJ. Some of the guys there, who made a salary equal to mine as an engineer, used to openly brag about how little work they did, and how the management couldn’t do anything about it.
My grandfather was a big union supporter – Press for 60-some years. We couldn’t bring in a grocery product if there were no press union “bug” on the wrapper. But when they tried to mau-mau my brother into a teacher’s union at SUNY, even my grandfather said he should fight it because it didn’t represent what unions are supposed to stand for.
The reasons for unions hardly exist anymore…..
Posted by: daveinbedstuy at October 22, 2009 9:59 AM
So true… but it’s not only the stereotypical blue collar worker’s union that needs reform. Some of the worst corruption and socialist behaviors are found in the white collar unions such as the United Federation of Teachers. This group in particular should be reformed or perhaps abolished. The underpaid teacher is a socialist myth long perpetuated by the UFT and it’s socialist core beliefs.
Arkady – don’t forget elevenses
“say it with me MEGOTIATIOn”
Ok.
MEGOTIATIOn.
What did I just say?
Joe, I don’t know anything about the Stella D’Oro situation so I just googled it.
You bemoan the employees not being able to get $12-18/hour – but maybe that’s overpaid to what the work actually entailed. Companies exist to generate a return for their shareholders. If they are going to be loss-making indefinitely as a result of the union’s demands (whether reasonable or not) then they close down.