Here’s an interesting twist in our refinancing story. We received in the mail earlier this week the following notice from Chase, which is the provider of both our current mortgage and our Home Equity Line of Credit:

With home values falling in many parts of the country, we’ve used a proven valuation method to estimate your home’s value at $1,000,000. Unfortunately, that valuation no longer supports the full amount of your Line of Credit, so we are suspending future draws again your account as of May 15, 2009.

spigot-0509.jpgSay what? Leaving aside for a moment our suspicion that their “proven valuation method” did not take into account the fact that ours is a five-story house, the most interesting part of this is the perverse incentive it creates: After we finished our renovation in late 2005, our HELOC was pretty close to maxed out at $62,500. Since then, we’ve chipped away a few hundred dollars a month at the principal, so that the balance is now around $47,000. (Our credit score, as of last week, was the equivalent of an “A+”, according to our Chase refinancing so that can’t have anything to do with it.) So now, instead of continuing to reduce our balance, we’re going to just pay off the interest, since we know we can’t tap the line in the future if we needed to. The appraiser came for our mortgage refi yesterday morning; if that goes okay, we should have a decent case to make for unfreezing the line of credit. Regardless, the “proven valuation method” sounds like some very unnuanced generalizing at best and suspiciously like the beginnings of some old-school red-lining at worst. If, for example, the computer is using zip codes to group areas by risk, then it has no way of differentiating between a house on Classon and a house on Clinton. Or if it’s merely using physical proximity, our house could be impacted by comps a half-mile away on a less valuable block of Bed Stuy. Scary.


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  1. Okay one more comment: rates are inversely proportional to prices. I’d wait for higher rates until Case-Shiller stops falling (higher rates will add to the decline, not take away and definetly NOT have no effect at all).

    Common guys! Stop eating the sheepfeed and stop drinking the koolaid. Get the brokerthink out of your head. Do the excel sheet.

    ***Bid half off peak comps***

  2. One more comment: Higher interest rates will self-cancel the higher monthly payment effect because they will help to further reduce the fundamental price (affordability) and thus principal.

    Good weekend.

    ***Bid half off peak comps***

  3. “…the bank was lumping houses together within a 10 mile radius!”

    They see what’s coming and are thinking ahead. Chase is on the cutting edge of what all other banks should and will start doing: hitting the risk panic button.

    “…they’d rather just use a blunt instrument and get their exposure down more quickly than go through case by case and make sure they’re getting it right every single time.”

    It’s called fear. Fear is quite appropriate to balance out all the greed and deceipt of the recent past.

    “BHO, every calculation I do shows us saving money if we buy now.”

    Why are you holding the savings balance constant? You can outsave interest rates (they won’t go up THAT quick – if so, instant armeggedon!). More money down on a cheaper house can equal the same monthly payment or less. Rerun your numbers with a growing savings account and a price of $212,500, half off (12% would definitely do this!).

    ***Bid half off peak comps***

  4. My understanding is that all the financial institutions are using any excuse to lower their debt ratio and that there’s no rhyme or reason to their freezing HELOCs

    Oh yes there is… The funny thing is the retards don’t get it, it’s fucking over! The party is over and everyone is in scramble mode and code blue. Lookie here dumbasses!

    http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates/index.html

    Look at the 10 and 30 Treasures! The Foreign Central Banks and the Primary Dealers are saying “NO Mas” to US Debt and looking to unload very quickly! What does it mean for you???? A big Mushroom cloud where your “equity” used to be! Buh bye Retards thanks for the shits and giggles…

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end..

  5. Mopar:

    While your calculations are correct, I have to disagree with you.
    I’d rather buy at $350K with a 7% rate than $425K with a 4.9% rate. Once you closed, the initial loan amount carved in stone while the interest may change over the year.

    Nowadays we are in a situation where both property prices and interest rates are low. So yes, you should take advantage of it.

    I heard that the rates may go up starting mi-June though …

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