Here’s an interesting twist in our refinancing story. We received in the mail earlier this week the following notice from Chase, which is the provider of both our current mortgage and our Home Equity Line of Credit:

With home values falling in many parts of the country, we’ve used a proven valuation method to estimate your home’s value at $1,000,000. Unfortunately, that valuation no longer supports the full amount of your Line of Credit, so we are suspending future draws again your account as of May 15, 2009.

spigot-0509.jpgSay what? Leaving aside for a moment our suspicion that their “proven valuation method” did not take into account the fact that ours is a five-story house, the most interesting part of this is the perverse incentive it creates: After we finished our renovation in late 2005, our HELOC was pretty close to maxed out at $62,500. Since then, we’ve chipped away a few hundred dollars a month at the principal, so that the balance is now around $47,000. (Our credit score, as of last week, was the equivalent of an “A+”, according to our Chase refinancing so that can’t have anything to do with it.) So now, instead of continuing to reduce our balance, we’re going to just pay off the interest, since we know we can’t tap the line in the future if we needed to. The appraiser came for our mortgage refi yesterday morning; if that goes okay, we should have a decent case to make for unfreezing the line of credit. Regardless, the “proven valuation method” sounds like some very unnuanced generalizing at best and suspiciously like the beginnings of some old-school red-lining at worst. If, for example, the computer is using zip codes to group areas by risk, then it has no way of differentiating between a house on Classon and a house on Clinton. Or if it’s merely using physical proximity, our house could be impacted by comps a half-mile away on a less valuable block of Bed Stuy. Scary.


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  1. HELOCs are viewed as one of the riskier loan exposures, and JPM/ Chase is trying to cut its exposure to these loans. I guess they’d rather just use a blunt instrument and get their exposure down more quickly than go through case by case and make sure they’re getting it right every single time. Add to that the fact that mortgage-related businesses have been overwhelmed recently by the volume of refis. Unfortunate for those whose lines are getting cut but makes sense from a business perspective.

  2. You broke off some classic lines today, my man.

    Posted by: East New York at May 22, 2009 12:17 PM

    Wait until this Fall…

    “”Homeskillet.” I officially love the What.

    Posted by: talknerdytome at May 22, 2009 12:18 PM”

    Thanks but the Retards make it all possible! They just stand there while I punch them in the face!

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  3. “Hey BHO go to Costco and load up on some popcorn and a nice lawn chair! The mushroom cloud is going to be real pretty!”

    “Put the Popcorn on a stick and hold it out the window! The heat from the Mutant Asset Bubble collapse will pop that shit in no time!”

    You broke off some classic lines today, my man.

  4. “Before posting STUPID rants about how your awesome property is dragged down by “Bed Stuy”, use some commen sense and think about the logic of the bank…”

    Wow like goodoleboy! Very nice!

    The What

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  5. After the intial post, I contacted our mortgage broker, whom I trust dearly thier response was:

    ” Chase is beyond a nightmare to work with so I would strongly advise avoiding them as they are not closing any of the loans they are originating. I have a number of friends who had worked there for years and left since they couldn’t get their loans done.”

  6. We received the same letter several months ago from Chase, basically saying they were freezing our HELOC because our house was valued to low. We knew the value estimate was way off, and found out that the bank was lumping houses together within a 10 mile radius! We really needed to keep access to our HELOC this year so we bit the bullet and paid for their appraiser to come (yes the bank assigns you an appraiser). Luckily the appraisal came back high enough to unfreeze our HELOC. So if you really need it, might be worth the hassle.

  7. Oh yeah, Its already been said before, but lets think about it?.. You’ve lent tons of people money AND all of the sudden lots of those people have stopped paying you. Its random, no rhyme or reason, good credit score or bad. So, let me think? Should I just keep rolling the dice and hope Mr. B gonna make it in dis hard time? Or just pull the plug before he and everyone else draws down fully before they go bust?

    Before posting STUPID rants about how your awesome property is dragged down by “Bed Stuy”, use some commen sense and think about the logic of the bank…

  8. Its only just begun Mr. B. Commercial loan resets, or calls, this summer through 2010, and the like will bring all the over-priced BS in Brooklyn and NYC down. Not to much the true condo inventory of probably close to 15k that will be dumped.

    You see I don’t actually enjoy this, but for the one simple fact it hopefully puts 99% of the RE agents/brokers out of business. These people are a reason the process will only be more painful in NYC.

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