Here’s an interesting twist in our refinancing story. We received in the mail earlier this week the following notice from Chase, which is the provider of both our current mortgage and our Home Equity Line of Credit:

With home values falling in many parts of the country, we’ve used a proven valuation method to estimate your home’s value at $1,000,000. Unfortunately, that valuation no longer supports the full amount of your Line of Credit, so we are suspending future draws again your account as of May 15, 2009.

spigot-0509.jpgSay what? Leaving aside for a moment our suspicion that their “proven valuation method” did not take into account the fact that ours is a five-story house, the most interesting part of this is the perverse incentive it creates: After we finished our renovation in late 2005, our HELOC was pretty close to maxed out at $62,500. Since then, we’ve chipped away a few hundred dollars a month at the principal, so that the balance is now around $47,000. (Our credit score, as of last week, was the equivalent of an “A+”, according to our Chase refinancing so that can’t have anything to do with it.) So now, instead of continuing to reduce our balance, we’re going to just pay off the interest, since we know we can’t tap the line in the future if we needed to. The appraiser came for our mortgage refi yesterday morning; if that goes okay, we should have a decent case to make for unfreezing the line of credit. Regardless, the “proven valuation method” sounds like some very unnuanced generalizing at best and suspiciously like the beginnings of some old-school red-lining at worst. If, for example, the computer is using zip codes to group areas by risk, then it has no way of differentiating between a house on Classon and a house on Clinton. Or if it’s merely using physical proximity, our house could be impacted by comps a half-mile away on a less valuable block of Bed Stuy. Scary.


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  1. ” Stop eating the sheepfeed and stop drinking the koolaid. Get the brokerthink out of your head. Do the excel sheet.”

    “One more comment: Higher interest rates will self-cancel the higher monthly payment effect because they will help to further reduce the fundamental price (affordability) and thus principal”

    BHO fire up the grill and get the Corona’s ready. The retards are not done yet! Mopar is a great example of the insanity encrusting the Assheads minds!

    “You can outsave interest rates (they won’t go up THAT quick – if so, instant armeggedon!)”

    Eh BHO you may want to pull out the Radiation suits for you and your family.

    Here Retards keep your eyes right here..

    Government Bonds

    http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/rates/index.html

    Peace goes out to Team Bear (We go Hard)! Peace goes out to my Brownstoner peep’s and a great big Fuck you goes out to the retards, stupid motherfuckers!

    The What (Coming down the court)

    Someday this war is gonna end…

  2. Mpoar:

    My bad, I meant put in your application asap then lock your rate once in contract. You can send all your documents (paystubs, W2s, …) to the bank to speed up the process before getting in contract.

  3. BHO, I agree higher rates will result in lower prices, but if you look at my calculations for this hypothetical house, it shows our monthly payment stays at or below $2,000 only with a very low interest rate. ($2,000 is our max.)

    We’re not retiring. We are getting married and hopefully having a kid and we are in our 40s. We need to get on with life. We don’t have ten years to wait.

    Lost, how can we lock in a rate if we’re not in contract yet?

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