What should this mantel even look like?
Have to say I’m a complete amateur, but I think water closets were not uncommon from 1860s onwards, often preceding plumbed bathrooms. Came across a lot of online talk re mid-century Baltimore, Philly, NY WCs! Perhaps many got taken out as full bathrooms were put in. The experts will know a lot more about this sort of stuff. Good luck with your house.
higherwhitley
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michaelcoughlan | 3 years and 6 months ago
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I have – I think – a slate (possibly soapstone?) fireplace mantel that the previous owners kindly stripped. Thing is it looks horrible. Weird green splotches, gross brown color, dingy overall. Should this be faux marbleized? I really can’t picture what this thing should look like or how I can get it to look the way its supposed to. Does anyone still do faux marbleizing? And does anyone know how to properly spell it? Photos! [IMG_3339](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:5XKM:img_3339.jpg.jpg) [IMG_3340](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:09rq:img_3340.jpg.jpg) [IMG_3338](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:QSff:img_3338.jpg.jpg) [IMG_3337](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:M11R:img_3337.jpg.jpg)
Arkady | 3 years and 6 months ago
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RobertGMarvin
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I’m sure that Ingrid vanShipley, a decorative artist who’s done a lot of work in our house, can do faux marbling. Her work is wonderful.
347. 323. 9768
RobertGMarvin
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BTW the link to the photo of your mantel doesn’t work.
michaelcoughlan | 3 years and 6 months ago
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Thanks for the suggestion. Not sure why the upload didn’t work – maybe too big. Trying again here. [IMG_3340A](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:cdQK:img_3340a.jpg.jpg)
RobertGMarvin
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That works. I suspect that there are ways to improve the look of the slate—perhaps some sort of oil finish? Still, I think these were originally given a faux marble finish and that would look great.
Guest User | 3 years and 6 months ago
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That IS the way the stone is “supposed” to look. You have a slate fireplace, quarried from Vermont slate – it’s purple slate, and molted green & purple slate. The green splotches are part of the stone.
Some of those quarries are still operational today:
https://www.vermontstructuralslate.com/stones/
http://www.natslateandquartzite.com/vermont-slate/
[Vermont_Purple](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s1/:brownstoner:vLAZ:vermont_purple.jpeg.jpg)
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Originally these slate mantels were painted (with lead paint) in factories in Italy and shipped over in pieces, then assembled on site. The underlying slate can be all one color or different colors. Those splotches look like stray new paint to me, but I can’t really tell in a photo like you can in person. In any case, I appreciate the beauty of the natural stone. You can paint the summer cover shiny black or some other color, change the wall color, furnishings, wallpaper, what not, to make the mantel color less important. Also, any decrative paint artist should be able to apply a new faux marble finish of your choosing. I will post some examples soon.
cate | 3 years and 6 months ago
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Here are links to stories with some examples of painted slate mantels. This house is circa ’90s: https://www.brownstoner.com/real-estate-market/brooklyn-homes-for-sale-greenpoint-78-north-henry-street/ This one is circa ’80s: https://www.brownstoner.com/real-estate-market/park-slope-brooklyn-brownstone-homes-for-sale-213-st-johns-place-mantels-fireplace-single-family/ Here’s anther ’90s house with photos showing a good level of detail: https://www.brownstoner.com/interiors-renovation/photo-pool-challenge-replacing-a-mantle/
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You can also put up some brightly colored accessories and and a painting over the mantel, and people’s eyes will be drawn to the bright color, not the color of the mantel. For example, ’60s vases from Bitossi in Italy in Rimini Blue (or any object in those colors) would look nice with this brown and the gray color of the wall. You can find them on eBay, Etsy, etc.
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Wow, this is fascinating. The photo from tgvb looks exactly like what’s going on – I just thought it odd that its so inconsistent, could not have imagined it was the pattern of the stone. Thought for sure it was damage from the paint stripper. But sounds like faux marbleizing is not the historic look, in any case. And cate, I just googled those vases and am now obsessed!
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Glad you like the vases, excellent, ha! Agree maybe your mantel was never faux painted. (Those came later.) The shape of your mantel appears more Italianate in style (an earlier style, generally circa ’60s), though in slate rather than the more expected whiteish grayish marble. The slightly later (’70s, ’80s) Neo-Grec style included darker marble mantels, usually completely natural, in all different colors.
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The house is not landmarked (Greenpoint) but appears on the oldest insurance maps going back to 1862 so your dating seems spot on! (Though of course I have no idea if the mantel is original). Going to try to figure out some oil/cleansing options. Thanks so much, all.
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Interesting about the map date. If you can post some photos showing more of the room (and maybe some other interior details if you have them such as a newel post, doors, etc.,) I would be happy to speculate from my armchair about the style of the house and whether or not the mantel seems original to the room. Also, is the mantel in a bedroom or another room?
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Also, here are some tips on cleaning marble mantels. I am not sure if it’s the same for slate, but hopefully. https://www.brownstoner.com/interiors-renovation/marble-mantel-cleaning-tips-safe-restoration
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Absolutely! I’m fascinated by this house. So much has been changed and stripped, I have really no idea what’s original. It’s a 25 foot wide woodframe. The parlor mantel is the only mantel in the house. Picture frame moldings everywhere along with the arch in the front parlor (I assume put in to replace a wall that was taken down in the pass-through) are lovely but I assume not period-appropriate. Newel post and pocket doors maybe? The weirdest thing about the house is that it was built with an adjoining house – and by adjoining I mean interior doors (painted over now) that link the houses together. They share water runoff and a waste line and a covered alley (now split in half for each house) that I presume was for the horse (this shared alleyway was on the 1862 map which is how I’m so sure they never tore down and rebuilt). I have never seen any other pair of houses like this. The other bizarre thing is the coat closet above the alleyway at the front of the house. Maybe it was another parlor-level passageway between the two houses? (there’s also a window that’s been cov ered over in the front of the closet) It has to be original because above it on the second floor is a hallway with the same newel post and two additional side bedrooms. Definitely weirdest house we ever saw and we looked at a LOT when we were trying to buy. We’re still getting used to it but we love it for all it’s quirks.
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[IMG_3903](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:7eYv:img_3903.jpg.jpg) [IMG_3901](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:oXY1:img_3901.jpg.jpg) [IMG_3900](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:1V7P:img_3900.jpg.jpg) [IMG_3899](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:wMYp:img_3899.jpg.jpg) [IMG_3898](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:pxan:img_3898.jpg.jpg) [IMG_3897](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:0Fsi:img_3897.jpg.jpg)
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Also, here’s a photo of the whole room. Please pardon the terrible mess as we’ve just moved in and our couches have been victims of the supply chain. [IMG_3904](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:Cxbk:img_3904.jpg.jpg)
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Your house is very beautiful. Congratulations. In the parlor, the plaster arch, the pocket door and the mantel all appear to be original and from the same era. They are also of the same era as the newel post and spindles/railing. Probably most likely ’60s but could be ’50s. I’d have to see more of the place (including the exterior and historic tax photo) to have a better sense of it. BTW twin houses built side by side (often sharing a party wall but detached on the other sides) are very typical of the circa ’50s Italianate period. The tile in the entry is later, circa turn of the last century. The decorative wall moldings in the parlor are later — possibly even the picture railing is later but I’m not sure. Also, of course, the width of the house is a sign of age. (As for the unusual layout, I’d love to know more. Sounds intriguing.) If you want, you can email me at cate (at) brownstoner.