Tenant wants lead testing.

She said pediatrician tested her toddler for lead and she has level above the treshhold.
Now… we do not have anything that we did not touch in this apartment for 20 years.
Floors throughout the apartment is new oak about 12 years old, all new windows with new frames and windowsills, some replaced twice, wood trims were sanded,
stripped in some places, floor basedboards sanded or replaced and painted..
Kitchen was moved with an architect permit, original room taken to the studs, new kitchen – almost everything, and tiled over.
Bathrooms were taken to the brick, all pipes replaced, wonderboarded and tiled, new watermain…
Ceiling – we have original only in 2 rooms, one – painted over tin and one – plaster.
The rest was replaced with sheetrock or laminated with sheetrock.
Walls – either were skimcoated in 2 larger rooms, or sheetrocked.
We had 5 families in this apartment, naturally, we renovate and paint each time. We do not like paint caked over, so, patches and all woodwork was lightly sanded before new coat of paint.

so, everything was painted over at least 5 times .

I am at loss: what could be wrong. Thinking about it – we have nothing to worry about. We raised our child in apartment below, and it was much less renovated while our child was a toddler. We did lead testing on her too, and it was normal.
We had many toddlers in the apartment I was describing. 6 toddlers to be exact. Never had we face this problem.
Still I am scared to death now.

lucie

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Is this a 3 family or more? If so, believe XRF is required within one year of you learning that a young child is occupying the apartment

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Here is the link to cdc: https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/advisory/acclpp/actions-blls.htm

Initial Screening Blood Lead Level
Healthcare providers may use a capillary or venous sample for initial BLL screening. If the capillary results are equal to or greater than CDC’s Blood Lead Reference Value (BLRV), providers should collect a venous sample. If a venous sample was taken during the initial screening test, skip to Confirmed Venous Blood Lead Level.

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Here is the link to cdc: https://www.cdc.gov/nceh/lead/advisory/acclpp/actions-blls.htm

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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As a result we will have 2 inspections: one by Luke for dust samples and one by some other inspector hired by the tenant on Thursday. I will be present in both and will keep you posted. We will pay for both. I think it could be valuable experience for all readers.

What is your thought on X-ray testing? I am afraid that x-ray will detect some lead covered by new paint and our tenant will freak out even if it is not posing any danger because it is covered by several layers of new paint.
Also, I read the research that capillary lead test ( prick from baby finger) could be used only as a initial screening tool.
It is more then 55% false-positive comparing to the vein test performed the same day.

Also, even vein test is not accurate on such low numbers. It makes sense only above 5.
2 means that it is really zero or 4.
Tenants said that pediatrician told them that they have to do vein test but first they want to test the apartment…

Combining with the fact that lead is 100% present in all old buildings and even if I believe it is safely encapsulated in ours, x-ray stil l could find it.

We do have attorney at that point, it is more my loud thoughts in this thread…
what do you think?

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Combining with the fact that lead is 100% present in all old buildings and even if I believe it is safely encapsulated in ours, x-ray stil l could find it.

We do have attorney at that point, it is more my loud thoughts in this thread…
what do you think?

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 3 months ago

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And i want to say sadley, those people are correct about the legal liabilities. Managing them. So while you have to try to maintain some control with the city and maybe getting in front of this, the legal liabilities are another matter. After some of what i read, i agree with them and if i were you i would go to an attorney who specializes in this and ask for a paid consultation. A sit down. No free over the phone.

About that report you are getting, you are using your inspector and paying them for the report and if it were me i would not share it with anyone until ordered or if your attorney thinks it might help, say if some minor situation is found and corrected.

I hope you did not begin cleaning because you want this guy to find lead in the dust on a surface by a door or window. You want to be able to pinpoint a spot and say that is it and we will address that spot. If the inspector cannot find the source – and i already mentioned that the city’s investigator will check foods, utensils, travel, near by construction – the city will continue to put you under scrutiny and if they cannot find it, it will get worse. And by the way, i definitely would not try to clean something in order to decieve because the way it sounds is if you do not do things the way they want, it will work against you. Bringing in the wrong people will also work against you. While you might not want to volunteer your report to anyone, you do not want to do anything that could make you look deceptive or as though you would knowingly do the wrong thing. Don’t give them ammo.

I hope you canceled that other contractor. You want the lead inspector to see this place as it is with lead dust where it is.

Good luck with this. Calling these people has been a learning experience for me. I do sometimes sign off with my business web address hoping people will look at my website. When you get a moment, maybe you can.

Steve
Brownstonehomeinspection.com

Guest User | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Luke’s great. His dust samples and remediation advice was sufficient for the city in our instance. He is strongly recommended on park slope parents, which your tenants are inevitably a member of, so his views should give them comfort.

I believe it is soil that triggered my sons elevated levels.

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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About being a landlord…
It is hard. We never ignore our tenants, do beyond reasonable, sometimes regret that we are too responsive then do it again.
Thought about selling the house, but I am so attached to this house, ideas, money, emotions poured in this house, still some plans to complete.
Obviously being too responsive – some tenants take advantage. But not all of them.

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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Thank you. I already called Luke and he said he will try to do Tuesday or Wed. He will get back to me on Monday.

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Thank you. I already called Luke and he said he will try to do Tuesday or Wed. He will get back to me on Monday.

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No. Jeremy is correct. You want control. Call that guy lluke oe the guy dennis. Talk to the guy dennis. I hammered him with questions and he was nice.

Also, if the tenant is sincere and just wants this fixed and wants to get back into that space, that could be good.

And my response is get a pro to guide you. Look, we are all guessing. Call an inspector. Even if it costs you 1k. Also, if the city gets involved you might end up needing one for a wipe test, so call luke or dennis and ask them how much to visit and give you an on site consultation and if you use them for follow up wipe tests, ask if they can work the cost of the consultation into that.

This guy i spoke to was nice. I called back a second time and he was calm. Call him. You might sleep better.

RobertGMarvin

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Why’s mess! Reading this post makes me very happy that O bought my house long ago, when single family brownstones in Lefferts Manor were very undervalued, and O never had to be a landlord. Sometimes it’s good to be OLD!

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I appologize, a lot of typos, it is hard read what I am writing

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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About not cleaning or disturbing:
My jerk reaction would be to fix this small area just because i see this new problem even if test would show that this 1 sf contains no lead.
Because stars fall together so to speak: our contractor will be in the building on Monday for other things and tenans from this apartment are away this day, so, he can cover and work on this area not disturbing anybody. After all it is wet cleaning 1sf and tiling 2 sf.

But it seems that what is looking as common sense to me is more creating a potential lawsuit. All i wanted is to make it a bit beter regardless of if it has lead or not.
I wrote earlier that he will test it first and then cover with wet tent before touching anything.
Well… Let it sit the way it is till the inspection.
After all we learned that it needs fixing only last Thursday when tenants showed it to us.
When apartment was rented to them a bit more then a year ago, everything was fine at that spot.

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Guest User | 2 years and 3 months ago

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OP, I would also never want to go with a tenant’s inspector. I would look for someone available sooner and hire that person on basis of wanting to resolve sooner. Hard to know if the person is biased toward tenant and less toward landlord if tenant found them. Licensed or not, we all have bias. I would especially be concerned about this if tenant is being rude or uncooperative

lucie | 2 years and 3 months ago

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No, thiis is not city inspection. Thos is somebody tenant found

Tenant wants lead testing.

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Tenant wants lead testing.

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