Risks vs. Rewards of Switching to Radiant Floor Heat in Bathrooms

We are considering replacing our existing sheet vinyl and wood subfloors in our bathrooms with ceramic tile, which raises the question of whether we should replace the existing hot water heat pipes with radiant floor heat at the same time. The existing heat is working beautifully. The advantage would be to open up space for storage or seating in a garden level hallway by eliminating two awkwardly positioned heat risers there. I am wondering: (1) How long do the radiant systems last and how reliable are they — will we will be tearing up the tile in 10 years when a circuit fails? (2) Will removing the two heat risers affect our existing hot water radiator system? They are a branch line and lead only to those two bathrooms. (3) Anything else I should know about the pros, cons, costs, installation? Thank you!

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cate | 5 years and 8 months ago

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Great! Thank you janedrew

Guest User | 5 years and 8 months ago

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Sorry my response got cut off midway.

3. Warmly Yours were helpful in laying out the cables. I sent them my plans and they did the layouts which I was able to hand off to my contractor

4. If you haven’t poured the slab, would consider insulating underneath with foam

Guest User | 5 years and 8 months ago

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You’re welcome. I meant to add the following (take whatever is helpful)

1. I think someone mentioned this as well. There is a small gadget that you can buy you can buy to check and detect any issues in the heating cable: Warmly Yours SS-01 Floor Heating Circuit Check Continuity Tester https://www.amazon.com/Warmly-SS-01-Heating-Circuit-Continuity/dp/B005D7O05G

2. A good thermostat so you can schedule turn on in advance – the mats do take a while to heat up. Also a nice rug helps while you wait (etsy and west elm have good sized washable cotton mats)

3. Warmly Yours were very help

cate | 5 years and 9 months ago

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Thank you so much Janedrew.

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We did electric underfloor heating in our master bathroom and love, love, love it. Programmable thermostats for mornings and evenings. Would be expensive if run all day but we removed radiator and managed to keep bathroom comfortably warm.

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hey i do not know risks vs rewards, but i sure wish i had thought of electric radiant when we were redoing our bathroom (before it was too late). take the offer from the guy who offered you his, install it and keep traditional heat in there as well. this way you have the choice later.

Guest User | 5 years and 9 months ago

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@cate, my contractor shared that the one he installed it in his own house lasted about ten years. We installed it in two bathrooms but plan to use radiant (pex) in the third.

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email sent…

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Very nice of you. If your taker would like any technical support installing it, feel free to contact us. We don’t supply that system but there are some techniques that would help with any system.

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I would love to have it. Please email me at abccity aat gmail.
Thank you!

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If the poster (or anyone else on this list!) wants a free Schluter Ditra heated floor kit, you can have mine for free. I was going to install it in my bathroom in my old law tenement ground-floor apartment when, in the course of uncovering more space by taking down the sheetrock walls that enclosed heating pipes that had been put up during our co-op’s sponsor cheap renovation in the 80’s, my contractor and I realized that enlarging my bathroom meant exposing heating pipes.
My contractor said he didn’t want to install electric heating next to the heating pipes because their heat would throw the Schluter thermostat off.
Fortunately for me, the exposed pipes now heat the bathroom so well that we decided not to install the Schluter after all. The complete kit is now free to a good home & if anyone here wants it, please post & I’ll get it to you!

hkapstein | 5 years and 9 months ago

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I wouldn’t want electric resistance heat running 24 hrs a day just so it can be on when you use the bathroom. If the radiant system is on the central boiler then it contributes to the load like any other radiator, and the warm floor is incidental. But the electric floor mat is like running a space heater all day just to warm your feet. The warmup time is too long for on demand use, so you have to guess when you will want it on and schedule the T-stat, or keep the meter running.

warmsmeallup | 5 years and 9 months ago

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I apologize and didn’t mean to offend. I was speaking to the use of a motion sensor, not to you directly. I wasn’t sure who brought up it’s use, I just replied to it.

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Slow down, warmsmeallup. I have a little experience with radiant floor heating too. Like 25 years worth from back when Uponor, then Wirsbo, sent me to school for it in Minnesota in 1994. I realize you want to sell your electric mats but my comment was that using a motion sensor to turn it on wouldn’t be prudent, because yes, undeniably, there is a slow reaction time with RFH that doesn’t exist with nearly every other method of space heating. Your description of setback and slab ∆T maintenance is accurate but not prudently controlled by motion.

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They call it a …thermostat! Not a new invention. And, the “reaction time” (the time it takes to recoup from the set-back temp) is only a question when there’s a long set-back temperature. If, for example, you adjust the set-back temp to 65 degrees when you’re at work, and 75 degrees when you’re home, it will take about 30 minutes to recoup. If you get home at 6pm, you adjust the stat to bring it back up at 5:30 and it will be warm when you get home.

Other than the set-back temp adjustment, there’s no “slow reaction” time. It just maintains the temperature you set it at. Even the variance (the temperature you want it to turn back on after the floor temp drops) is adjustable. Most often is just 2 degree. So, if you want your floors to be 75 degrees, it shuts off at 75. Then, when the temp drops to 73, it turn back on and will recoup in about 5 minutes. And so on.

hkapstein | 5 years and 9 months ago

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Yes, it can turn it off when no one is there.

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A motion sensor wouldn’t be helpful in a slow reacting system like radiant floor heating.

hancockone | 5 years and 9 months ago

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I did the bathroom Reno 12years ago. I recessed the radiator into the wall To free up floor space and installed electric radiant mat under ceramic tile. I installed a backup sensor at the time in case the first one fails. It is for comfort not primary heating. Just love it and so do my cats. Also installed an electric towel warmer which is a nice little luxury.

hkapstein | 5 years and 9 months ago

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So like 1000 dollars to redo the floor?