Paint Stripping Pros Recommendations

harvesting old grown pine, cape fear.

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cate | 1 year and 8 months ago

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Umanish, your 1845 wood trim was meant to be painted originally; sometimes the trim and doors were faux wood grained. If it is pine it’s pretty great old growth pine, so as long as experienced people are doing the stripping you should not have any problem. IMHO original materials are always superior to new ones; keep as much original material as you can, especially a Greek Revival, and your house will be beautiful.

greenworks | 1 year and 8 months ago

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Great points Cate. Our 1912 house largely had poplar casings/trim with veneer oak doors – and where I’ve stripped the old dark stain or paint off the old poplar, I have to say even that old poplar is pretty. So much prettier than the new stuff and it takes stain so much better than the new. Not a popular poplar opinion I know in these parts but not everyone can afford the grander earlier homes where they had mahogany and other woods considered prettier/acceptable on the forum.

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 8 months ago

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with a multi step finishing process poplar can be made to look pretty good. we did it hear on our own balustrade here and got it to look like a better wood. Keep in mind, the darker you go with cheaper or damaged woods, the more you can hide about what it really is-

Johnofalltradesllc | 1 year and 8 months ago

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We have pivoted. After getting quotes and getting professional opinions on paint stripping, we have decided to get quotes on completely replacing it all. We may be better off trying to replicate the moulding and just replacing all of it to try to maintain its original aesthetic. It would be faster and potentially cheaper if we decided a different moulding. There simply isn’t enough people to do this type of work. Living in a co-op, we found that the ones willing to do this type of work for a reasonable price don’t have insurance and are not EPA certified, both requirements needed by my building.

That said, if anyone knows any trustworthy contractors, I am looking to get quotes to replace 10 door casings, 6 window casings and about 170ft of baseboard.

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 8 months ago

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Geim, it is not that there are not enough people to do this work. It is that it does not pay enough to draw more people. I won’t even take a call for this work outside of a larger restoration because i know if i gave out a price that i can make something reasonable on, i will not get the job. Very rare i do straight stripping work and it really has to be a high end door or trim for people to spend that kind of money. I often tell people it might be better to get new wood. Stripping is extremely labor intensive.

cate | 1 year and 8 months ago

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Replacing the moldings will potentially release all kinds of lead dust into the air. They will also never look the same or as good as the originals. I would just repaint them and call it a day. The painters will know how to prep the surfaces.

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 8 months ago

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cate, i beg to differ. if people have custom moldings cut, they can be done perfectly by a place like adriatic and having new moldings done means if you really want to stain them, they can be stepped up to a better wood such as mahogany, sapele, or oak. these will be exact profiles.

the lead chips and dust, that is another issue but that can be dealt with (at a cost).

cate | 1 year and 8 months ago

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We’ve had custom moldings run. The wood is not the same, and it is not the same. I’ve seen a lot of replications. If the original is still there, keeping it intact will produce a superior result. There is such a thing as over renovation.

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we will never see old growth pine again but oak & mahogany? do they look different than the old stuff?

JohnHancock | 1 year and 8 months ago

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Oak to me looks very different, also mahogany is not the same, could be aging

RobertGMarvin

in General Discussion 1 year and 8 months ago

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Do we see much quarter sawn oak today?

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 8 months ago

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Is it the wood finishing?

Be careful with mahogany as there is some honduran or cuban or african. Then there is sapele which some people lable as maho.

They sell quarter sawn at dykes and boo’s favorite singh lumber and her other favorite place but not home depot or lowes. Monteath has racks of it. It is not used as much. It is twice the price.

justinromeu26 | 1 year and 8 months ago

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what changes about the wood is the faster growth on the tree plantations (that what we called them down south, with the long leaf southern pines) and that fast growth produces wider growth rings which mean wider and curvy graining. i sometimes wonder if the oak is that much different and i have no idea how old oak trees are that they are harvesting now and if they are grown on tree farms. i also work with a lot of modern oak but not next to oak inside say a 1905 limestone front so i do not have an opportunity to stand there and look at variations in grain. I know new pine it is very different form the old, even within the same species (very hard to match). Mahogany is so straight grain and consistent in the old stuff and new that it is hard to say.

when i was still in North Carolina, there were a couple of guys who had started a harvesting operation where they would dive into the water on the cape fear river and other rivers that had been used to float wo od down stream to mills in the 19th century, looking for old growth logs that had sunk. they were pulling them up and selling them. not sure if this operation is still running.