Master Plumber Help Desperately needed!

put a regulator on that supply line in the basement. Pressure is to much.

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stuyheights | 9 years and 4 months ago

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MP, would you be able to come check it out one morning? I put a call into your office today.

Master Plvmber | 9 years and 4 months ago

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Yes. Did my office will tell you the fee for a typical service call? Please work it out with them and they’ll put it on my schedule.

slopefarm | 9 years and 4 months ago

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Yes, the internet is a wonderful resource, regina. I hear that if you look online on brownstoner, sometimes you can find a knowledgeable plumber who posts as Master Plvmber. Maybe the original poster will consider trying that.

stuyheights | 9 years and 3 months ago

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Well, I must admit… I was wrong. After troubleshooting the house for 4 hours on Saturday i believe the sound we are hearing is still a water hammer. I am quite surprised we are still experiencing a water hammer even though we have installed arrestors at every sink, faucet and laundry room in the apartments. I went back through all of the pictures of the roughing and it seems as though this guy did a real shitty job strapping down the pipes.

Now that I have plaster ceilings and moldings this is going to be impossible to fix inside the walls. I read I should spray some hardening spray foam wherever I can and believe the pipes to be moving to secure them? Any other suggestions on how to fix pipes that weren’t secured very well in a finished house without destroying it?

MP- The original plumber installed separate water heaters and risers for the top two apartments. They branch off of the Parlor Ceiling. I do not have any water hammering at all on my floors (parlor, ground and cellar) for some reason. Its only the top floor apartments- and I still don’t think its just one of them- Both do it.

This weekend we went upstairs and turned the water on and off at the kitchen and bathroom sinks. I noticed a “thump” at the location as well as all the way down to the cellar. Arrestors are installed at every fixture but in reading Sioux manual it says that runs longer than 20 feet may need additional arrestors at the midway point of the run. The cellar is 7 feet tall, the ground is 8 and the parlor is 11 feet tall. That is way beyond 20 feet long. Does anyone know the answer to this and have any other suggestions on where to put them? I also put one directly on the toilet itself but still heard the banging noise this morning.
Should one go near the water heater or the shut off valves in the cellar for the apartments?

Last, I noticed I hear the “bang” from the toilet bowl flushing on the top two floors early in the morning and late at night so this is certainly some type of pressure build up. Has anyone ever installed a Pressure reducing valve in their house or just on certain floors? Any advise with this would be greatly appreciated. I really don’t want to mask the problem and would like to get to the root of it. I don’t understand why all of these hammer arrestors are needed to begin with. I would imagine the pipes weren’t ran correctly and have too many turns and curves?

Would greatly appreciate your input MP. I didn’t want to have you come here to troubleshoot. At least now I know what is causing it. Thats half the problem.
Thank you all again so very much. I sincerely appreciate it. Happy Holidays everyone!

LarryBryant | 9 years and 3 months ago

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stuyheights | 9 years and 3 months ago

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Thank you Come4it. That is very helpful

stuyheights | 9 years and 3 months ago

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Master Plumber,
I did put a couple of calls into your office but they told me you were too busy right now to come take a look which is fine but I was hoping to pick your brain further on a recommended fix to this problem.

As I have said earlier, I did change both toilets fill valves with no success. Also, hammer arrestors were installed at every fixture in both apartments including the toilet bowl itself without any luck. I have been reading about runs of piping longer then 20 feet. This is what I came across

“Install the water shock arrestor or water hammer arresting device near (but not at ) the end of a water supply branch between the last two plumbing fixtureson that branch – for plumbing branch lines that are 20 feet or less in total length.

Watch out: do not install the water hammer arrestor at the very end or uppermost end of supply piping in a building. A water shock arrestor installed in this location is unlikely to be effective.

For longer plumbing supply pipe runs (longer than 20 ft)you may require at least one additional water hammer arrestor. In this case place the second water hammer arrestor at the mid point of the total length of the plumbing pipe run.”

Is this only for commercial applications or would this apply in my case as well? The run is certainly beyond 20 feet. I’m wondering where else you would suggest Install them. I am hoping the lines are secured enough and this is not due to poor strapping but I am not hopeful. If that ends up being the case, any suggestions? Maybe spray foam?

The last thing I can think of it could be is this pvc pipe moving somehow creating a “bang”.

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