Mantel Tag: older than we thought...
Thought some history buffs might find this interesting…
As we’ve been taking the deep dive into the renovation of our brownstone in Crown Heights, we’d been told by the DOB that it was built around 1905, and so was everyone else in the neighborhood about their own homes.
Unfortunately we were not able to keep all of the mantels in our house and so removed three of them (I know, I know… blasphemy, but there are still 4 remaining!). I’ll be posting pics soon of the mantels, summer covers and mirrors for anyone interested in them.
During the removal I noted this little card attached to the back (on one of the other mantels as well), which clearly states that the mantel installation date was Oct 21, 1889… a whopping 16 years prior to the date the DOB has listed for the construction of our building.
This came as something of a shock to me until I realized that 1905 might have been the year that records were taken seriously. To those with a more robust kno wledge of the area’s history this may not come as surprise, but it was a truly satisfying discovery for me.
Pic attached. [Mantel_tag_web](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s1/:brownstoner:VCfc:mantel_tag_web.jpg.jpg)

Guest User | 6 years and 5 months ago
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Guest User | 6 years and 5 months ago
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@Maggie O – HUMANS: bad at their jobs since forever. Some things never change. Ha!

Guest User | 6 years and 5 months ago
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it amuses me that the installer of the mantel also clearly disregarded the instructions on the tag, which state that the tag must be returned once the mantel is installed. 🙂

Guest User | 6 years and 5 months ago
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it amuses me that the installer of the mantel also clearly disregarded the instructions on the tag, which state that the tag must be returned once the mantel is installed. 🙂

Guest User | 6 years and 5 months ago
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What a wealth of knowledge! I was able to look online at the NYPL and find that our home is shown as a parcel of land with very few wood frame homes around it on the 1888 Brooklyn Atlas, but is fully surveyed as a complete home with adjacent brick properties by 1898 (there is a gap in the available records at NYPL), so paired with the mantel card from my original post, I feel confident that the home was built in the earlier part of 1889. How amazing that we have these resources available to us! I’m going to try and get the original blueprints for the building as an earlier poster mentioned. I’m on the hunt!

Jasperrose11 | 6 years and 5 months ago
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A good rule of thumb is just to assume that any date of construction listed online at DOB is wrong. The dates start to get a bit more reliable in the late 1920s and 1930s but I never trust them and always do backup research – a look at any CofOs, I-Card info, NB#, Alt#s, historic maps and images etc. can help narrow things down.

cate | 6 years and 5 months ago
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Here’s some more info on dating an old house — see also the articles listed at the bottom — https://www.brownstoner.com/architecture/how-old-is-my-house-nyc-brooklyn-city-records/

shahnandersen
in General Discussion 6 years and 5 months ago
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I don’t remember what month the form comes, but Finance sends out a form with basic house information like lot dimensions, stories, number of units, etc, Your can submit comments and corrections. On pre 1905 houses, they will accept the date change you submit. Our 1840’s house is now correctly listed as 1845.

CarmenR | 6 years and 5 months ago
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this is so cool. please let us know if you try to date your house further! our place was listed at 1890 but I dated it back to 1855- lmk if you want help with research. greenwoodframed at gmail dot com

RobertGMarvin
in General Discussion 6 years and 5 months ago
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AFAIK many records say “1905” because earlier ones were lost or destroyed. MY 1899 PLG house is also listed as having been built in 1905.

cate | 6 years and 5 months ago
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Very cool!