How illegal was this gas condition?
If the gas was not included in the original job,, then that was a mistake. But amending the job to include gas does not seem like a problem because partial inspections are permitted.
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lkrshacmzcy | 5 years and 3 months ago
You can drive 56 in a 55 is right, and a cop can let it slide. However, if his superiors find out he let someone slide in that instance he can be in trouble for it. The speed limit is for safety and turning a blind eye is turning a blind eye on keeping individuals safe; from that driver to the others around him.
The way I justify it in my mind is this: I could care less if someone wants to hurt themselves. When you have the potential to hurt an innocent bystander I will get involved; your gas leak can hurt your neighbors and I have neices who could be those neighbors.
lkrshacmzcy | 5 years and 3 months ago
You can drive 56 in a 55 is right, and a cop can let it slide. However, if his superiors find out he let someone slide in that instance he can be in trouble for it. The speed limit is for safety and turning a blind eye is turning a blind eye on keeping individuals safe; from that driver to the others around him.
The way I justify it in my mind is this: I could care less if someone wants to hurt themselves. When you have the potential to hurt an innocent bystander I will get involved; your gas leak can hurt your neighbors and I have neices who could be those neighbors.
hkapstein | 5 years and 3 months ago
55 is not significantly safer than 56, if 56 is unsafe maybe the speed limit should be 45, or 25, or maybe we shouldn’t drive at all. A small gas leak poses almost no danger. The gas network in the city is full of them, and they fix them when they get around to it. From a liability perspective for a plumber, there should be no leaks. But if a small leak caused a real fire hazard, we’d all be dead. Where problems have occurred it’s usually due to really crazy work being done.
lkrshacmzcy | 5 years and 3 months ago
“A small gas leak poses almost no danger”
You can put your own liability on that, not mine or my families.
As far as the semantics of the law, you can bring that to the DOB or the elected congressman; can’t hate a cop for following the law. Gennady and I are just stating the law as written.
lkrshacmzcy | 5 years and 3 months ago
“A small gas leak poses almost no danger”
You can put your own liability on that, not mine or my families.
As far as the semantics of the law, you can bring that to the DOB or the elected congressman; can’t hate a cop for following the law. Gennady and I are just stating the law as written.
Master Plvmber | 5 years and 3 months ago
> @Urbandad
> Where problems have occurred it’s usually due to really crazy work being done.
This is a very uninformed statement.
> @Urbandad
> Yes, everyone who owns or runs a building with gas should know how do a little gas work.
This one is dangerous.
> @Urbandad
> It’s actually not that difficult, just twisting pipes together.
And this one is funny.
Thanks for all these. You’ve established yourself as a person never to be taken seriously.
hkapstein | 5 years and 3 months ago
You are taking this out of context. I’m not saying everyone should do their own gas work, I’m saying the city council is saying that with their policies, because it’s become impractical to do it legally, and I’m certain illegal gas work will increase. For minor repairs especially, it’s not difficult, but licensed plumbers are pretty much priced out because they would end up needed to re pipe the whole building just to change a valve in many cases. In the past a gas leak could kill you from co poisoning, gas is safer now but much more highly regulated.
Master Plvmber | 5 years and 3 months ago
I hear what you’re saying. But once again, check your math. A natural gas leak does not result in a “co” (carbon monoxide) poisoning. These are two different things.
hkapstein | 5 years and 3 months ago
I’m talking about the coal gas they used to pump through these pipes.
Master Plvmber | 5 years and 3 months ago
Ah. Long time ago.
lkrshacmzcy | 5 years and 3 months ago
We are spinning wheels in mud here guys:
1. Make laws to create a safer community
2. Doing things the right way is too difficult/expensive/inconvenient/cumbersome/insert other excuse/
3. Break the law
4. Cycle continues
lkrshacmzcy | 5 years and 3 months ago
We are spinning wheels in mud here guys:
1. Make laws to create a safer community
2. Doing things the right way is too difficult/expensive/inconvenient/cumbersome/insert other excuse/
3. Break the law
4. Cycle continues
Guest User | 5 years and 3 months ago
somehow I have a problem with urban dad’s argument that it is too expensive to assure that gas work complies to code
hkapstein | 5 years and 3 months ago
Ok have a problem with it. But which is more dangerous, work done to code over the last 50 years, including older less stringent codes, or work by unlicensed folks, done without oversight or concern about code compliance. If you typically work on skyscrapers with 9 figure budgets, it may make sense to comply with the code. But if you need a gas leak repaired in a small building, and you get a quote for 10k from a plumber, but Bob can do it for 200 bucks, what do you think is gonna happen?
sixyearsandcounting | 5 years and 3 months ago
Meanwhile we are still waiting for a plumbing and gas inspection to be scheduled for our renovation. The work was completed three weeks ago and the so-called “expeditor” doesn’t seem to be expediting this simple task. We own a 2-family and we (and our contractor) are the ones paying the price for this insanity. Our idiot architect filed the gas work as an amendment to the original plumbing work – not as a separate job – so now the bathroom can’t move forward until both inspections are completed.
ellenlourie | 5 years and 3 months ago
Plumbing inspections are done within 1-2 days when requested. They are ordered online by the plumber.
The fuel gas code did not change much. DOB just enforced it and changed some procedures.
sixyearsandcounting | 5 years and 3 months ago
Gennady, I believe you. The problem is that the gas work was filed as an amendment to the plumbing job and (so we are told) that means that an actual in-person inspection will happen, which is not the case with plumbing alone. Does this seem accurate to you?
sixyearsandcounting | 5 years and 3 months ago
Or to put it another way, can we request a plumbing inspection and gas inspection separately?
mozeeatupu | 5 years and 3 months ago
Well, has the inspection been requested? Have you checked on DOB NOW?