Electric Bill kWh usage is double what I usually use in new apt

I moved in mid April to a new apartment. All of my personal appliances are the exact same. Square footage in apt is almost identical. We have not installed our AC units yet– However our kWh is saying we use over 300-400 kWh per month! Over the past 2 years we’ve used on average 175 kWh during this time of year. We are out at work almost all day 5 days a week. We pay for our hot water- but those charges are with National Grid. Is my fridge/dishwasher in this apt sucking excess electricity? Why is it so high? I’ve never paid over $100 during this time a year without running an AC.

Should I hire an electrician to come and measure all my usage to see where the spike is coming from? Anyone have any ideas what it could be?

Thanks in advance!

shribanke

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shribanke

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Jrkeat yea- but this has just been with me monitoring since our last meter reading on June 12. So I’m only 2 readings into it… hoping to find a pattern and a spike as the month progresses. As I mentioned, our house is pretty much vacant and turned off for at least 8 hrs 4-5 days of the week. So maybe the spike will happen over the weekend ?‍♀️

shribanke

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Jrkeat yea- but this has just been with me monitoring since our last meter reading on June 12. So I’m only 2 readings into it… hoping to find a pattern and a spike as the month progresses. As I mentioned, our house is pretty much vacant and turned off for at least 8 hrs 4-5 days of the week. So maybe the spike will happen over the weekend ?‍♀️

jrkeat | 5 years and 11 months ago

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If the usage goes up 4 kwh every 3 days, doesn’t that mean you use 40 kwh each month, not 300-400?

shribanke

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@cate this could make sense. I did live in a pretty old building, and this one was gut renovated at least 8 years ago max. It’s a floor through and there are outlets
everywhere.

@jhcovert so I turned off all
My breakers and it seemed like no common areas (lights) were affected. We sat for like an hour and didn’t see any changes in the meter. Not sure how long we should wait to see if there’s a change. We also unplugged everything for like an hour as well and waited and there was no change. Of course idk if an hour is enough time to expect a number increase. What I have been able to track is that every 3 days the usage increases by 4kwh. I will try again in the next couple of days to shut everything down when we leave for a few hours and make note of the numbers and report back!

Guest User | 5 years and 11 months ago

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I still feel like we haven’t determined definitively (on this forum) whether the meter still records activity when all of your breakers are off. Take a look at the numbers on the meter (and the small dots or triangles below) to get an idea of how quickly they’re changing, then turn off everything and wait the same amount of time. If the number changes then you know the issue is you’re connected to something else, but if it doesn’t then you know it’s in your place (barring some strange configuration). Otherwise, you may want to invest in a device like a Neurio or similar that tracks individual device usage. We got one and it helped track down the energy hogs in our place.

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Based on my experience, it seems to me electrical bills are higher in houses with modern to code electrical systems and lower in houses with systems dating from the early 20th century. In the many floor through apartments I have lived in, the bills were always very low ($40 or so a month) if the system was old with few outlets and low volt service even if we had an old energy sucking fridge. In the two floor-through apartments I’ve lived in that had whole-house upgraded electrical to current code with a minimum of three outlets per room and 220 service, the bills were always around $100 a month. When we did a whole house electrical upgrade, the bills jumped, including for a floor-through apartment. All of this was without air conditioning. Wonder if any electrical experts could chime in on why this might be. Does Con Ed charge more for 220 volt service or do upgraded systems use more power even if the appliances are the same?

Guest User | 5 years and 11 months ago

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Another possibility……. maybe in your old apartment, part of your wiring was attached to a different meter

shribanke

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It’s my meter according To my bill and to Con Ed. They even said this was the lowest they had seen the bill. Which is bizarre! I can see the other meters from the other apartments and ours have the lowest numbers. But something is def up…
The meter has gone up 4kwh every 3 days since our meter reading on June 12. Not sure how normal or abnormal that is.
We have some halogen bulbs that were already installed from some lighting fixtures. We will be changing those this week.

restorationcontractor | 5 years and 11 months ago

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Check the meter number against your bill.
We had a small project where the meters were mislabeled one floor was paying for the other.

shribanke

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It’s a digital meter. Our breakers only affect our apartment as far as we are aware. The only different appliances from our old apartment are: Frigidaire Gallery refrigerator (not energy star) our Frigidaire dishwasher (energy star) Gas oven/stove, microwave, Verizon Fios and all the lighting etc.

We don’t have a DVR, we don’t have cable. Just 1 TV that we watch maybe 2 hrs a night if even, 1 MAC computer, 3 tower fans (2 we use through the night) and a Dyson vacuum cleaner. We had all of these appliances in our previous apartment and our non AC kWH usage was around 175 kWH. Now it says it’s 300+ kwh

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I’ve also heard it said that the digital meters are more accurate than the old analog ones, could be that nothing nefarious is going on and that it is what it is.

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When you go out of town next month, it may be a good idea to have a relative or friend keep an eye on your apartment. The landlord may be doing something illegal here, and may enter your apartment while you are away to restore the power. The reason being you are probably paying for the entire building.

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Interesting. Our building is a small 3 floor building with one apartment per floor. It was gut renovated around 2006-2008. It seems really well taken care of (I’ve lived in a variety of places! ) and the landlord seems honest. But that aside- something sketchy is going on. We shut off all the breakers at night and didn’t notice other lights in the other units cutting off (that we could see) but maybe we didn’t cut off long enough for anyone to notice something like a fridge. The breaker box was decently labeled and there seemed to be some sort of logic in the wiring (for ex. All AC outlets in one, all other outlets in another etc ) I want to see if there’s a way to keep better track of my usage now that my fridge coils are cleaned… but would hate to go through another pay cycle.
I am going Out of town for 8 days in July and was thinking of shutting things off while I’m gone and seeing what happens. But I still want to hire an electrician to evaluate what’s going on here.

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It’s pretty common for electricians working in smaller buildings to wire into whatever junction box is nearby, regardless of which apartment’s account it is. When I bought my house (then a 3-family) I found the tenants were paying for parts of each other’s apartments, but ALL of the refrigerators were wired to the “common areas” account that the landlord (me) pays, which is a commercial rate, and is a much higher rate than residential rates. For your case, if you turn off your ENTIRE breaker box, does anyone else in the building mention an outage somewhere? If so, you immediately know the cause of your added costs.

shribanke

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We don’t pay for electric water heating- it’s all gas from a boiler billed via National
grid.

We went through every switch in our circuit breaker and nothing in the common area was affected. Con ed also said landlord has a common area account that he is billed for. I saw the kill a watt- I’m going to order it.

nope | 5 years and 11 months ago

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A friend in a small Brooklyn apartment building was also having the problem of seemingly high electric bills. One day he overloaded the electrical circuit for his apartment accidentally and discovered that the hallway lights were also out, besides eveything in his apartment. Turns out that the buildings utiliites were on his meter. Especialy in older & smaller buildings this might be a problem. In addition I suggest that you not only speak to Con Ed but insist that they pay a visitt and check on the accuracy of the meter in question. Besides screwed up wiring, the meter itself might not be working properly. Also there are inexpensive devices (kil-a-watt is one, if I have the spelling right) that measure electical usage for individual appliances which would be a helpful dignostic tool to help pinpoint any appliance problems.

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If you are paying for electric water heating, it could explain the difference.

shribanke

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I suspect fridge too. We cleaned the coils (they were filthy)

I did the home energy calculator and the estimate was on point with my estimated 175 ish kWH usage.

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