Cold radiator

Thanks eman, we have a bunch of stuff for you, none of which are all that urgent so we were going to wait till summer. Talk then!

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cate | 2 years and 5 months ago

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One of our radiators is not getting hot. I suspect it’s because the end closest to the hot water pipe is tilted down and the end farthest from the hot water pipe is tilted up, so probably the radiator is not filling with hot water. (The fin closest to the hot water pipe is warm.) It’s a hot water system. The radiator is on a floor that has settled about three inches, at least, and is slanting. Can we shim the radiator — without cracking any pipes? Or should we shim the floor? Thank you and Happy Thanksgiving!

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 5 months ago

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Bleed it. The screw on top of it.

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lkrshacmzcy | 2 years and 5 months ago

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Loaded question but pitch is a good place to start

lkrshacmzcy | 2 years and 5 months ago

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Loaded question but pitch is a good place to start

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 5 months ago

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So, is this a hot water system or a steam system? I read “hot water pipe” and assumed it was hot water. But it is one pipe? Steam? If it is not pitched correctly, water will not drain and it will bang. Is the vent working? It it the furthest radiator from the boiler? And maybe the vent is small and the system cycles off before it gets hot?

cate | 2 years and 5 months ago

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It’s a hot water system. It’s not the first or the last radiator in the system, it’s on the garden floor, and the two radiators above it get really hot. I don’t think we had this problem in prior years. Earlier this year we put in a beam under the floor where one was missing, although we didn’t jack up the floor or change anything enough to crack anything. But it’s possible that independent of that the floor is sagging even more than before and causing a more pronounced slant. I’m not sure.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 5 months ago

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Did you bleed the radiator? Just because water passes through it to go someplace else does not mean air is not inside it. The air could be sitting up high.

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I’m not terribly familiar with two pipe systems, but if this were happening in a one pipe system I’d double-check the vent for a blockage.

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Colonial: hot water heat systems are two pipe at the radiator – an inlet and outlet – and they do not have a vent. They have a bleeder valve which is open to bleed air out of the system.

Steam systems have vents.

Op says this is a hot water system.

Guest User | 2 years and 5 months ago

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slope has zero effect on a hot water radiator

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 5 months ago

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And cate, it does not matter if it is the first or last radiator. If air gets into the radiator, it will rise and sit there until it is bled off. Some of the newer systems have an automatic valve that voids the air at the end of the run near the boiler and maybe along the run but the house i grew up in and any buildings i have worked in with hot water heat never had that device. Manual bleeding.

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Thank you, Eman. Are there other things we should be looking at or discussing with our licensed heating plumber?

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 5 months ago

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Cate, did you bleed the radiator or does it have a screw to bleed it? That is the first question with a hot water radiator.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 5 months ago

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And btw, if you think you have to call a plumber to bleed the radiator, it was my mother who bled them in the house i grew up in.

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The valve can also be closed or partly closed on a hot water radiator and the rest of the system can function because there is a by-pass line. But any time i have experienced part of a hot water radiator getting a little warm, it needed to be bled.

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The concern with opening old things such as the bleeder or taking something apart is you do not know who messed with it before and therefore do not know the condition of the threads. Most of those bleed screws appear to be made of something impervious to oxidation but the radiators are iron and rust. Someone could remove something from a radiator and put it back, crossing a thread. That thread may appear fine and may be holding fine until some unknowing person removes it and finds the damaged thread. It can be fixed but that is beyond most homeowners. For this reason, if a system is operating and someone wishes to bleed something, it is a good idea to check that the valves work to isolate it in case

Its just like anything else on these houses – ask “what if” before proceeding. That should still not stop a homeowner from bleeding something but do no do it on a cold sunday afternoon. Also know where the valve is on the water feed for the system. Btw, the hardware stores sell the bleeder keys. They look like keys to wind a clock.

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Here is an article from bob villa about bleeding radiators.

https://www.bobvila.com/articles/how-to-bleed-a-radiator/

I will make a couple comments about the article:

First, i am NOT a plumber but the first radiator pictured at the top of the article appears to be a two pipe steam radiator. I say this because it appears to have something that looks like a trap on the bottom outlet, there is no bleeder valve that i can see (the bleeder valve should be on the top left); the presence of the danfoss controller hints steam but hot water systems can have them if there is a hot water line by-passing the radiator. Posting that photo here could cause confusion in the same way people do when talking about steam radiators on a post about a hot water system. I am sure the plumbers will correct me if i am wrong about this-

Second, they mention using a needle nose pliers to open the bleeder valve. I sometimes do things like that as well but even when working on my cars am aware that using pliers like this only makes it harder for the next time around, for the person who wants to do it the right way. See what i say about not knowing the condition of threads above because of what someone has done in the past. If you get a bleed key and have trouble opening the bleeder valve (they will not be excessively tight) because it is stripped (the part the key slips onto, not the threads), call a plumber and have them do it and have them change the bleeder in case anything else goes wrong. Then the next time, all should work fine.

They talk about turning the system off when bleeding these. Probably a good idea but i always did them with the system hot so i can feel the radiator get hot as it was done. The water is under minimal pressure so it will not come out like a garden hose.

Bleeding radiators is not on the same level as changing light bulbs but it is not far above it: home owner 102.

Augustiner | 2 years and 5 months ago

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As Homeinspector says:
If a water radiator has an issue bleeding the air will likely solve the issue. Get a 50 ct valve bleeding key and open it until all air is gone and only water comes out.
If the valve is not located at the highest point, meaning that you radiator is sloped the other way, then you should even it out so that the air can escape through the bleeding valve.

justinromeu26 | 2 years and 5 months ago

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Augustiner; since you seem to think what i am saying is correct, can i get a like on the statement a few up where i say “it was my mother who bled the radiators in the house i grew up in”? I can still see the radiator key in my mother’s hand as she bled them in the house we had moved into in 1971. I carried that knowledge with me to the first building i worked in with a hot water heating loop in 1998.

Stay at home moms with limited working or middle class resources are the most resourceful people in the world.