Anyone know how to make oldshool varnish?

The stuff that you might find on victorian woodwork or furniture. Is it a short oil rosin blend? Is there wax in it? Anyone try this and how did it come out?

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hkapstein | 4 years and 2 months ago

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I bought it, 37 bucks. I’m not anti-amazon, but I do try to give other shops a shot first.

andriywww1990 | 4 years and 2 months ago

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Amazon has it. If you dont like to shop there, i respect that.

hkapstein | 4 years and 2 months ago

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I will have to hunt down this book.

stevecym | 4 years and 2 months ago

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[16148264728798945966299079014280](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:jqsx:16148264728798945966299079014280.jpg.jpg)

andriywww1990 | 4 years and 2 months ago

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Here, maybe someone can explain how copyright law applies here. [16148262566449198495476088643319](//muut.com/u/brownstoner/s3/:brownstoner:4wI3:16148262566449198495476088643319.jpg.jpg)

stevecym | 4 years and 2 months ago

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Mine is a first edition. You can have it for $250 🙂

hkapstein | 4 years and 2 months ago

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I’m trying to find someone that has the shepherd book in stock.

andriywww1990 | 4 years and 2 months ago

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the book i mentioned above has the formulas. i read it after you began kicking this about on here. i promptly forget what they said as i am not going to use it.

hkapstein | 4 years and 2 months ago

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Not yet, I’m wet sanding currently wet sanding my doors for paint prep. An annoying process, but having exposed the original wood I see that the doors are much nicer than what’s on the market today.

The varnish article andy posted tells you just enough to want to know more. While there is some info about different varnishes, there’s not an actual recipe to produce a useable finish. Probably someone the author interviewed knew how to do it, but that was 25 years ago now. I’ll have to experiment a little.

andriywww1990 | 4 years and 2 months ago

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thank you andy.

another thing we can do it use oil and let it dry a few weeks and put wax over it. the wax will give it the build that rosin adds to it.

so urbandad: did you work with rosin yet? i read behind you and it sounded like some of the rosins were like what is used on violin strings. i did not study this too hard as i would never play with something like this on a customer’s home. but if the rosin is a soft solid, how does it react when perhaps liquified with heat and poured into an oil/dry mix?

brett.dayman | 4 years and 2 months ago

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Good article on this topic https://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/13/nyregion/working-with-traditional-oil-varnishes.html

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i mention it in a reply above.

hkapstein | 4 years and 3 months ago

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What’s the book called?

andriywww1990 | 4 years and 3 months ago

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urban, you need to get that book i mention above. that is a recent publication and i bought it probably on amazon not that long ago. the author speaks whoawhoawhoa’s language.

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i think you are right urban about what they used in brownstones. i think it was a wax. or a wax over a dried oil (not an oil like what you want to make but a straight oil or an oil diluted and applied). while shellac was big in the period you mention, i think it really hit interiors here with the oak that we see in the post 1900 houses.

hkapstein | 4 years and 3 months ago

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Thanks, I know about shellac, but I doubt that’s what’s on most of the 1870-1930 woodwork in brownstones, tell me if I’m wrong, I could be. I think it’s an oil resin varnish like the Copal you mentioned, but copal is relatively expensive, and I feel like that probably wasn’t used all over the place on wainscoating etc. It could be a pine resin or rosin product, or mastic based varnish. If I find some time when I’m done with my door painting, I may try to mix some up. You can get pine resin or rosin online, it’s not to bad, but mixing up a lot of varnish might be complicated in a house.

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It would either be SHELLAC, which was laboriously applied in many layers to give a beautiful deep soft sheen like lacquer, or a natural varnish. For oil paintings two kinds of varnish are available: DAMMAR VARNISH which is close to colorless, and COPAL VARNISH, the latter being a beautiful amber varnish. I used it to refinish a table. It won’t wear as well as modern varnishes but it looked great.
Unfortunately NY Central Artist Supply and Canal Paint, where you might find the materials for doityourself, are closed. I have not searched online for it buy why not give it a try.

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I don’t have a recipe for making varnish at home but here’s a reading recommendation: THE FURNITURE DOCTOR by George Grotz (Crown, $19.00, pbk). Not only is it packed full of great tips for anyone trying to repair or refinish furniture — or any interior woodwork — it’s also funny as hell. It was originally written in the 1960s, then updated in the 80s, and it’s full of laugh-out-loud anecdotes and thrifty, home-spun wisdom. Corny as all get out but truly a great read.

andriywww1990 | 4 years and 3 months ago

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When you find a gum or resin, let us know what kind. And where you got it.