Hotel Handout, Few Affordable Phase 1 Units at AY
Sarah Ryley over at the Brooklyn Eagle’s been digging through the recently-released Atlantic Yards documents and finding some interesting things. In an article online yesterday, she wrote that the Forest City Ratner would be selling the rights to build a hotel within Miss Brooklyn for $28.8 million. “Basically, it’s eminent domain being used to give…
Sarah Ryley over at the Brooklyn Eagle‘s been digging through the recently-released Atlantic Yards documents and finding some interesting things. In an article online yesterday, she wrote that the Forest City Ratner would be selling the rights to build a hotel within Miss Brooklyn for $28.8 million. “Basically, it’s eminent domain being used to give the land to Ratner for free,” commented Dan Goldstein. “Then he gets to sell it, which again is pure profit to him as opposed to the state and the city. In a separate article, Ryley also notes that less than 10 percent of the first-phase apartments—143 out of 1,580—will be low-income units. Another 216 apartments will be for middle-income earners. “The so-called moderate-income properties are way beyond the incomes of the vast majority of residents in my district, so to call those units affordable is laughable,” said City Council Member Letitia James.
Ratner May Net $30 Million On Sale of Arena Hotel [Brooklyn Eagle]
Few Affordable Apartments for First AY Tower [Brooklyn Eagle]
City Boy, you haven’t answered my question – just what is your agenda here? You glory in your appraisal that blacks have not achieved (to your standards) in the sciences, or anywhere else.
You have taken practically every statement Beeotch made totally out of context, and tried to score points on those exerpts. You’ve twisted and manipulated statistics to suit your theories, and then you’ve belittled every example of excellence as not meeting your standards, only because you say so. Then you have the cojones to state that BEEOTCH is “deeply insulting to blacks?” Thanks so much for caring.
I don’t have to defend my race to you. You aren’t important enough. You don’t have any concept of history, of circumstance, or of the amazing perserverance of my people to overcome adversity, and go on to succeed on ANYONE’S level. You can sneer at that all day long, but I really don’t have time to respond or care. It obviously means a lot to you to think of yourself as superior. Congratulations, it must be quite spacious way up on your mountaintop.
anon- thanks for the posting. I will look at the Princeton report. Anon again- my guess is that that statistic reflects the importance that the Black community places on education
Insofar as Asian Americans- If anyone knows world history, or even current events it’s obvious how beliefs, hates, prejudices are passed down through generations. Asians, like many other cultures and civilizations, have an extremely strong society founded on extended families. They have a very complex system of interfamilial relationships which also bring inter-responsibilities. That system is one factor. Another is that unlike this country, asian countries emphasize math and science. It’s no surprise that the number of foreign students in these fields is increasing as the numbers of Americans going into science goes down. Our educational system is failing all over the country. Our educational system does not promote math or science or discipline and American kids all over the country are losing out. It isn’t only a Black problem- is a national disgrace.Asians did not meet the same degree of hate and discrimination in this country that Black people have. They didn’t have a joy ride by any stretch of the imagination but Slavery was a truly horrific institution that essentially stripped away the family ties and the history of Africa from her peoples. brought here. After freedom they were still treated badly by society in general- And while the advances they have gotten have increased greatly in the last 20-30 years, it wasn’t that long ago the KKK was still blithely burning crosses on their lawns and the civil rights movement saw the deaths of many of their leaders. That Black people have come so far and achieved so much in the face such adversity says a lot about their courage, determination and hard work. No one is perfect. A few years ago Chinatown was overrun with gang shootings- Chinese gangs. Italian Mafia, Russian mob, the infamous KKK and American Nazi Party- Everyone has their bad sides.
City Boy- I really don’t have any more time to deal with your obvious determination to parade your stupidity and ignorance. (Please let me know if you ever build a bridge- I will be sure to avoid it). However I should point out to you that the Cliff Notes version of Black History does not count as a history book and the least you could have done was crack the cover. I’m not going to waste my time trying to show you the extent and wealth of African history and anthropology because you simply do not want to know. when someone loves ignorance as much as you seem to, its a losing battle.
My Jewish experience- oh, I don’t know. Being Jewish, losing family in the holocaust, studying Jewish history, etc etc.- I’ll warrant I know far more about it than you.
And your lack of knowledge is in full display. Those inventions I listed- the modernization of the trains, the development of a torpedo launch, the invention of a machine to mass manufacture shoes, open heart surgery- you don’t think much of them because you don’t understand how they impact our society and how society is built on the past. You are a perfect illustration of that adage ” those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.” Get a little life experience- you might learn something. we can hope. And now I’m done- playground is all yours.
What on earth do some nonsensical prejudicial ravings have to do with Atlantic Yards? Think we’ve gone off topic here.
Beeotch, you wrote:
“Black people are a minority in this country, and had been kept out of the best universities for many years…”
Jews were denied access too. But for a different reason. Too many qualified for the best schools, according to the admisssions people. Today, Asians are facing the same problem. Hence, quotas.
The black admission issue is at the other end of the scale. Few blacks qualify for entrance by traditional measures — high grades and high SATs. So, the kindly admissions people spot blacks a few points to bump them up in the admissions standings.
Private universities like Harvard, Yale and the other Ivies can do whatever they like. They are private schools.
But the simple fact is this. Those schools are denying admissions to qualified Asians while accepting less qualified blacks. But, hey, they can do that. They’re private. The reality of this practice is a high rate of academic problems among the less qualified kids. See for yourself.
You wrote:
“…they came in, often under hostile conditions, had to work harder and try harder.”
Though there was truth to your statement several decades ago, it’s meaningless today. There are no Jews crying “oh I can’t finish my Ph.D because some relative I never met was killed by Hitler.”
You wrote:
“True there may have been years where no Blacks (or Jews, or buddhists or Native Americans) were awarded PHD’s-”
Years when no Jews were awarded Ph.Ds? You really are out of touch. Way out of touch. As for Buddhists and American Indians, well, so what? Although it’s undoubtedly true that American Indians receive very few, if any, Ph.Ds.
You wrote:
“…but the sciences are not the only fields Black people go into. So you’re talking about a numerically smaller group spread out over a bigger area of endeavor.”
As another poster mentioned, Asians account for about 4% of Americans. Blacks about 13%. Really, if you weren’t so naive on this topic, you’d feel embarrassed for what you’ve claimed.
You wrote:
“And there are economic factors- getting a PHD is exspensive…”
Guess again. Grad students and Ph.D students are often paid to study. Stipends, assistantships, etc.
You wrote:
“…and a committment of many years.”
In other words, black students aren’t willing to make the time committment. Okay. Well that explains a lot.
You wrote:
“Many Black students are in college through grants, scholarships and loans…”
I paid my own way through college. No help from the folks. It wasn’t tough. If that’s what it takes, well, then that’s what it takes.
Beeotch, your screeds are nothing more than lists of reasons blacks can’t compete with whites in school. “Oh, we have school problems because our ancestors were slaves.” And on and on and on. You are deeply insulting to blacks. But that fact is beyond your comprehension.
Beeotch, you may be black, white, Jewish, Christian or a mix of all of the preceding. I don’t know. But I do know you think that it’s national news if a black obtains a patent or engages in an interesting pursuit that attracts the attention of the press.
Look, the fact that America has put men on the moon is a monumental achievement. In fact, I think today might be the anniversary date of Neil Armstrong’s famous moon walk.
But Neil Armstrong is the least important component of the lunar landing. How many patents to you think NASA scientists obtained as we prepared to land on the moon? In relative terms, a couple of hundred times the number of patents issued to black innovators.
It’s irrelevent that Armstrong walked on the moon. Sure, he puts a human face on the moment, though he has NEVER given an interview since returning from the moon.
The achievement was in the execution. Thousands of highly trained engineers and scientists brought it about. YOu can be sure that finding the astronauts themselves was the least difficult task of all.
Just like the hikers who went to both the North and South Poles. Or up Everest and every other major peak on Earth. These are people out having some intense fun.
Meanwhile, you seem to think that discussing facts of limited black academic achievement is an exercise in racism. But there it is. Limited black academic achievement.
I have an undergraduate degree in engineering. There were only a couple of black students who graduated with engineering degrees from my school over the years I attended. However, a number of black kids entered the program. But their quit-rate was almost 100%.
It’s high enough among non-blacks. About half of my fellow engineering students in freshman year switched to other majors before finishing college.
Does this fact bother me? No. But I do believe science education needs to change in ways that increase the willingness of students to work as hard as it is necessary to work.
Beeotch, you wrote:
“I left out many many people and in fact concentrated on those whose contibutions in the past had a great deal of determination in how we live today.”
Based on your preceding sentence, you are truly out of touch. We are several generations away from the handful of innovations developed by the blacks you mentioned. Most of those innovations are found only in museums.
Do you think whites pat themselves on the back because Eli Whitney invented the cotton gin? Or Cyrus McCormick built the first grain reaper? Or Robert Fulton built a steam-boat? These facts are pleasant little historical footnotes. But what matters is where things went from Step One. Not the name or race of the innovator.
It’s unfortunate that you overweight a few bright spots in black history while ignoring the ongoing tragedy of black existence almost everywhere in the world.
As for mentioning the “upside of slavery”, well, except for a tiny percentage of blacks with ruling power in Africa, life is obviously better here for all the rest.
As far as I know, every black nation is seeing more citizens leave than arrive.
Tell me if there is a black nation in the world that is successful?
You wrote:
“And only in the US with one exception. SO my omissions do not prove any of your points but instead point up the fact that the list of Black men and women who have contributed greatly to the world si so extensive as to be impossible to list in entirety.”
If you pick up a book on black history, you will note that it is short. Sorry. But day-to-day tribal activities in Africa and the slave experience don’t add up to much.
As for your claims to the Jewish experience, I’ve got a feeling you’re a little short on knowledge of that one too.
Forgot to mention that the Princeton study indicates that blacks have a HUGE advantage over Asian applicants–equivalent to almost 300 points on the SAT.
Beeotch,
Here’s the link to the Princeton study I mentioned:
http://opr.princeton.edu/faculty/Tje/EspenshadeSSQPtII.pdf
It’s a fairly well known (and recent) study by Espenshade.
Beeotch, the vast majority of PhD’s awarded to blacks are in Education–roughly 40%. I found that factoid interesting for some reason.
“Black people are a minority in this country, and had been kept out of the best universities for many years. they came in, often under hostile conditions, had to work harder and try harder.”
Well…okay. I’m white, so there’s no way I’ll ever understand how difficult it is for a minority in America.
But how do you then explain the success of Asian-Americans? They compromise an even smaller segment of the population than blacks and have also been the victims of individual and institutional racism and discrimination.
FYI, Asians are roughly 4% of the population but compromise roughly 15% of doctoral candidates–often more in scientific fields.
Beeotch, thanks for taking to the time to mention some of the many black people who have made the world better for everyone. Obviously, there are thousands more, especially today, in every profession, including finance, medicine, business, government, and yes, science and industry. I like to think we, as a nation, have progressed to the point where we don’t have to keep count of the “firsts” anymore. People are just going about their businesses, doing their jobs, not worrying about being a black doctor, or a black scientist, black CEO, etc, so some little twit on the internet can do what he thinks is a census of black achievers.
Just what is your agenda, City Boy? Do you think you are educating white America by pointing out what you feel is black America’s shortcomings? Is it serving some kind of great purpose to portray us as having no history, no acheivements, all patently false? You quote “statistics” that prove nothing. No one is required to, in fact there are laws forbidding it, state their race when getting a job, so how do you or anyone else really know how many black people are employed in certain professions?
To go from sitting in the back of the bus, or mopping floors, to being Secretary of State, or an astronaut in the space of a generation, is a testament to black intelligence and achievement. Do we need more black people in the sciences? – of course, and more and more people do so every year. Just because they don’t stand on the corner and shout out “I’m a scientist” does not mean they aren’t there.
I don’t know what you are trying to prove, besides your own vast ignorance. You’ve done quite well there. Very well, indeed.