Two Teens Shot on Fulton in Fort Greene
We received a number of emails last night from readers about a shooting that took place last night in Fort Greene; The Local also posted a late-night account of the incident. The emails we received put the shooting at around 8:15 on Fulton between South Elliott and South Portand; The Local gives a precise time…
We received a number of emails last night from readers about a shooting that took place last night in Fort Greene; The Local also posted a late-night account of the incident. The emails we received put the shooting at around 8:15 on Fulton between South Elliott and South Portand; The Local gives a precise time of 8:23 p.m. and says that one victim was a black male of about 15 years in age and that the other victim was slightly older. One of the emails we received also noted that there were a lot of teenagers out on the street leading up to the shootings being “very rowdy.” Anyone know what was going on? Update: Here are some more details that a reader just sent in…Evidently the scuffle that lead to the shooting started at Atlantic Center about 7:45. The problem? Buffalo Wings is offering $.40 wings on Tuesdays, which has attracted kids from all over the city; in this case, the fact that the next day was a holiday only compounded the problem. According to the tipster, the commanding officer is working with mall security and management to end the promotion earlier. The tipster also said that the kids involved in the shooting were not from the neighborhood.
Update 12:52 pm: We just got the official report from Captain Tasso at the 88th. Turns out there were two separate shootings last night, the one discussed above in which two teens were shot but are in stable condition, and another (also non-life threatening) one at Flatbush and Fulton; there was also a stabbing in the vicinity of Atlantic Center. All three events are being linked to the buffalo wing promotion. There was a large police presence on hand that managed to send thousands of the teens home, obviously some managed to cause problems before leaving the area; none of individuals involved in any of the incidents were from the neighborhood.
instead of prison those kids should be forced to put in work hours at the co-op. apparently it’s very grueling, but does teach you how to be an upstanding citizen
*rob*
Obviously the handgun laws are not tough enough. Two years is no deterrent especially to a dumb ass kid that doesn’t really understand the act of shooting a gun at someone.
Might as well lock them up for life too because once they get in there they won’t come out any better. Sad but true.
Washington D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country, some of which have been found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
Washington D.C ALSO has one of the highest murder rates in the country and is commonly known as the “murder capital of the U.S.”
Posted by: the Magnificent Arturo Bandini at November 11, 2009 3:36 PM
OK, I was going to google, but do it yourself. I wouldn’t want to confuse you with the facts.
Washington D.C.’s gun law was very new, a first attempt. Wash. D.C. didn’t even have home rule until recently.
From the Post article:
Following New York in the lower crime rates for big cities were San Jose, Los Angeles, San Diego, Las Vegas, Philadelphia, Phoenix, Houston, Dallas and San Antonio.
I believe that Detroit is the murder capital.
if i lived in washington dc i think id want to murder people too, so im not surprised by the high murder rate there at all.
*rob*
“If the store-owners and responsible adults were allowed to carry guns punk kids would think twice before pulling a gun out in a crowd.”
Actually, it is not that difficult for a store owner to obtain a premises permit. Somewhat, but not much more difficult to obtain a carry permit to carry from your store to the bank or a similar regular route.
Don’t hold your breath for ccw licenses anytime soon tho. Only the elite like the publisher of the NY Times seem to obtain them. (Handgun licenses thru some legal quirk are a matter of public record).
“The gun laws have to be different in an urban setting and obviously this all has to do with handguns.”
dibs, what more laws would you like in this urban setting? There is a two year sentence mandated for carrying right now. Kids don’t really pay attention to the law, that’s part of being a kid. You think the kid who pulled the trigger was worried about a gun rap if he was willing to commit a murder?
The guns on the streets now don’t come from permitted New Yorkers, they come from out of state. Since we’re free market kinda guys, lol, illegal gun prices haven’t changed in the last few years, so there’s no dent been put in demand by the NYPD, in spite of their various task forces. Currently you can buy a long gun on the street for $600, a crap handgun for $1000, and something really nice for $1500.
Re stop and frisk, under gouliani kids were tossed all the time. It had an impact, to the point where kids I knew told me street etiquette dictated telling your friends that you were carrying when getting in a car, so that they could know wassup when they were pulled over.
But the question is do we want to live in a society where it’s ok just to stop and frisk on a whim? If we can’t stop and frisk then we have to put up with some stuff. What’s that about the price of a police state and the trains running on time? Personally I prefer the occasional shooting to living in a police state.
AC was designed specifically so that Black kids from the surrounding areas would not find it a place to hang out. Ratner came right out and said that.
A lot of people are getting the backpack thing wrong. The police must ask your permission to search, and you have the right to say no. If you do say no, you will not be allowed on the train. So you walk to the next one, or even to another entrance.
I’ve walked by those backpack checks all the time, I ignore the cops, and they’ve never called me over. And I carry a fairly large backpack everywhere.
Not that they’ll find anything. I carry an illegal item in every single guvment building in the city and it is never spotted. Only one building in the city has people well trained enuf to spot it and nobody’s ever heard of it unless you’re in the commodities biz.
The only times I’ve ever been searched on the street is when I’ve been arrested, and that hasn’t happened in a while. I’m 55, and I never dress well.
If the store-owners and responsible adults were allowed to carry guns punk kids would think twice before pulling a gun out in a crowd. Notice how in places gun laws are the strictest there are the most shootings, it’s always easier to shoot unarmed people.
Posted by: the Magnificent Arturo Bandini at November 11, 2009 2:58 PM
This is so not true. NYC has far less violent crime than other big cities.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/ny_safest_of_all_big_cities_KwpQPtSU9ivJn69UinZMWM
Posted by: rf at November 11, 2009 3:19 PM
Washington D.C. has the strictest gun laws in the country, some of which have been found unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
Washington D.C ALSO has one of the highest murder rates in the country and is commonly known as the “murder capital of the U.S.”
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Speaking of security guards, there was a kid in a guards outfit with arm patches and a badge on the subway when I was going home yesterday. He had ill-fitting pants and looked to weigh about 115 lbs. His face, along with the peach fuzz on it made him look all of 16.
did you ask him out? lol
*rob*
donatella — the conflicts did not occur in the mall or at the restaurant, so blaming mall/restaurant security sounds strange to me.
What to do? I don’t know. A large, impromptu gathering of teenagers is not something that is easy to plan for.
The real problem is the number of people who think whatever it is that they are upset about is worth seriously injuring or killing someone over and risking lengthy jail time.
This level of unconcern for the lives of others or one’s own future is something that takes years and years to grind into people’s psyche and then is nearly impossible to remove.
Certainly you won’t be able to get it out of 15-17 year olds psyche very easily.
Gun control and more police on the street is an immediate step, but longer term solutions would need to see an end to large scale concentrations of poor, hopeless people. I don’t really know how you do that.