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  1. Oy, benson, where are you going with all this stuff. I really question your thought process here.

    What are you saying? So far you are only bolstering my arguments — that Harvard may be making a mistake! And that there may be other factors in play beyond the reality of the situation!

    This young woman has NOT been arrested or charged. Why is she being prevented from graduation?

    Explain it to me.

  2. dosteov- because it seems a little odd that someone who worked so hard, so well, and for so long to suddenly be involved in a murder and seeing as the rule is “innocent until proven guilty” why is she being punished? Harvard is supposed to be the place where you learn – and they are supposed to be setting an example. Well, if this is how they do it may I never have to use a Harvard-educated lawyer.

    benson- oh, I get it! You’re saying that because we did not express in the course of this particular conversation the same sympathy or concern for rich white boys at Duke, it’s ok for Harvard to screw over a young Black woman? Even though Duke U. was never part of the conversation?

    I hope the What will be kindhearted enough to lend you his meds.

    Had the subject of Duke been brought up I certainly would have agreed they were wrongfully treated- but since the subject didn’t come up, and I am not using the Vulcan mind meld with you, it wasn’t in the conversation. Meanwhile kindly don’t assume that you know what either I, MM or cobblehiller would have said. That just makes an ass out of U.

  3. Montrose, Cobblehiller and Bxgrl;

    I’ll take you seriously when you can convince me that you showed the same level of concern for the 4 men who were falsely accused of rape at Duke University. Shall we review what happened to them?

    -expelled from the school immediately, without so much as an investigation into the matter;
    -the entire lacrosse team disbanded, and the coach was fired;
    -subject to public shame by the University itself, including statements of condemnation from the president AND a letter of rebuke signed by 75 members of the faculty. Moreover, the PUBLIC condemnation by the President and the faculty was made BEFORE the trial was started.
    -subject to a sham trial by a politically-motivated DA who was later disbarred because of his unethical practices.
    -Duke University has NEVER apologized to these 4 men when they were completely exonerated of the charges. They have NEVER made any sort of restitution towards them. They have NEVER made any restitution to the other members of the lacrosse team.

    Of course, these 4 members of the lacrosse team were all from rich white families, so who cares about justice in that case, eh? Who cares about the impact on their life from being falsely accused of a crime that never happened? Who cares if they were invited back to the graduation that they deserved?

  4. Bxgirl why should it matter how hard she’s worked or how far she’s come or what a god awful ghetto she grew up in? Why should that factor into Harvard’s descision making process?

  5. Oh give me a break Cobblehiller. The poor girl has been prevented from participating in the graduation (cry me a river..)

    It would be inappropriate for Harvard to let this girl walk in a graduation ceremony if she was somehow involved with the people who were responsible with this horrible crime. She hasn’t been legally charged with any crime but that doesn’t mean that she wasn’t friends with the murderer or played some part in the whole incident. Let Harvard get it sorted out before you and all the other bleeding libs make this girl the victim of this incident. I’m sure no one would give a rats ass if the person suspended was some rich white kid trustafarian type.

  6. The condo building seems to be for homeless families, nt drug addicts- I say good for them. Homelessness is a nightmare most of us (I hope) wil never know. If the cost of getting a family off the street is giving them a marble sink, I’m all for it. All the new appliances notwithstanding, I would hardly want to trade my place for theirs if it meant swapping lives too.

    As far as the murder at Harvard- why a young man was murdered is for the police to sort out, but destroying a young woman’s life, especially one who has worked so long and so hard to get where she is, by throwing her out, without the diploma she earned- and all on speculation, not proof so far as we know, is especially heinous. Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty or have we now become a country where the court of public opinion is now supreme?

  7. Yes, a person was murdered. And my heart goes out to his mother. But what, if anything, does this have to do with the young woman? I fail to see it.

    According to what I’ve read, this young woman completed her studies. She was looking forward to the culmination of many years of HARD work.

    She may or may not have known the shooter through another person. She is quoted as saying she was not on campus or taking an exam at the time of the incident. She has NOT been arrested or charged with any crime. She has been prevented from participating in graduation.

    WHY.

    I know plenty about Harvard, please don’t lecture me on it’s history. Harvard is capable of making a mistake, just the same as any other school/organization.

  8. Cobblehiller;

    Please.

    First of all, I could care less what the race and ethicity of the woman is.

    Second, could we please learn some facts before making any pronouncements? The only known fact is that a person was murdered. That person probably had some dreams and aspirations too, I would imagine. When you’re dead, there is no second chance at all.

    Finally, the idea that Harvard University, the most politically correct institution in the country would not tread carefully in this situation is ludicrous, given this woman’s race. Remember, this is the University that is so politically-correct that it chucked out Larry Summers, a liberal intellectual, because he made one speech that the thought-police on the faculty did not approve of.

  9. Well put MM.

    Benson, shame on you. If this was a young Italian-American woman who had struggled to get to this point of high achievement, and was now being kept from graduating because she was ‘associated’ – however OBLIQUELY/TANGENTIALLY with a crime/criminal, would you be saying the same thing?

    Many facts need to be spelled out here to be sure, but with the info given to date, it looks to me like this young woman should be in line RIGHT ABOUT NOW to receive her diploma.

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