Thursday Links
Turmoil at End of Path From Bed-Stuy to Harvard [NY Times] Report Offers New Details on Shooting of Officer [NY Times] City Contractor Is Charged With Wage Theft [NY Times] In Greenwich, Big Discounts on Big Homes [NY Times] Homeless Move Into Crown Heights Development [NY Daily News] Park Slope Record Store Gets New Home…
Turmoil at End of Path From Bed-Stuy to Harvard [NY Times]
Report Offers New Details on Shooting of Officer [NY Times]
City Contractor Is Charged With Wage Theft [NY Times]
In Greenwich, Big Discounts on Big Homes [NY Times]
Homeless Move Into Crown Heights Development [NY Daily News]
Park Slope Record Store Gets New Home [NY Daily News]
Study Shows Arena Could Cost City Big-Time [NY Daily News]
Albany Throws Bloomy a Rabbit Punch in Coney [Brooklyn Paper]
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BxGrl while Benson may be wrong to assume your position at a similar time during the Duke case – but he makes a fair point re: public opinion (i.e. newspaper/internet coverage) – virtually no one was crying for the Duke lacrosse players – like this situation where virtually every comment is – how could they do this to our modern Horacio Algers. Sure – it would be better if Harvard laid out their rationale BUT given this is an ongoing Homicide investigation – is it really suprising that they havent?
“Oh give me a break Cobblehiller. The poor girl has been prevented from participating in the graduation (cry me a river..)”
Why the sarcasm dosteov? I’m asking honest fair questions. If you have real answers, then hand ’em over.
no- responding to fsrq. And I did not put anything racially- benson did actually. If you want nonsensical please read his initial post about Duke U. I don’t believe in kneejerk racism from either side nad it does remain to be seen why the University acted as it did. my point is that this girl is not being allowed to graduate and get her diploma (which she seems to, by all accounts, have earned) and is being ripped apart in the court of public opinion while the university seems to be reluctant (justified or not, we really can only assume at this point) to explain why except in the most vague terms.
I agree she bears some responsibility for the internet coverage. She also made a mistake in her freshman year and it seems she and the University worked this out. That siad, I see no real reason why innocent until proven guilty isn’t a common approach in life. maybe then we wouldn’t being destroying young lives willynilly with speculative postings and our own assumptions.
bxgrl – huh? if you’re responding to me, then you aren’t making much sense. if there are legal ramifications to what harvard is doing right now, they are civil ramifications, not criminal. nothing to do with innocent until proven guilty. and your “as for harvard” paragraph is also nonsensical. i’m not agreeing with anyone – of course it is possible that the university is in the wrong. but the fact is that nobody knows why harvard did what it did (and note that the woman wouldn’t share the letter she received from harvard), so to assume that this woman has been discriminated against on a racial basis is kneejerk and dangerous. you’re going farther with it then even the woman herself has done.
I understand perfectly this applies only in a court of law. Sadly ofr all of us. However there are legal ramifications of what is happening to this girl by Harvard and if you think innocent until proven guilty is irrelevant I say you live with a very limited viewpoint. As for the court of public opinion- its based on stupidity and certainly nothing to be proud of.
as for Harvard- well if you are agreeing with benson, then you’re both disproving your own points since benson’s example of the boys from Duke University is a classic example of just how a reputable University can get it wrong. Both cases are similar in how the students were treated. benson foolishly tired to make an outlandish assumption with it but in fact that case actually proves my, MM & cobblehiller’s point.
there’s obviously a lot more to this story than we’ve heard so far, and i think people are right to question what’s going on. but a couple points: 1) people are confusing the rights one has in a criminal proceeding (“innocent until proven guilty”) with what harvard, as a private entity, can do in regards to its own disciplinary policies and procedures. she hasn’t been arrested, indicted, or put in jail. none of us knows what harvard did in making its determination, so how do you know they haven’t simply applied their policies in a fair and unbiased way? given that people here are already talking lawsuits, it’s really not surprising that harvard isn’t willing to disclose it’s process and it’s findings. 2) she had a prior disciplinary infraction for stealing and then forging a check. no, this doesn’t make her “guilty” of anything in this murder, nor does it mean that she deserves what harvard is doing. but it certainly suggests that she’s not some pure model whose only taint is coming at that hands of big, bad, racist harvard. 3) harvard has, reportedly, taken the same action against the woman from harlem. but you’re not hearing about her because she, unlike the bed stuy woman, has refused since the beginning to speak with the press. obviously, they both have the right to say whatever they want or don’t want to the press and to the public, but it’s clear that she bears more than a little responsibility for being the talk of the internet.
Benson – I am with you 100% – I find it very hard to believe that Harvard just pushed this girl out with no ‘evidence’ to implicate her in some wrong doing – and if they did I am still not too worried about her as she will be legitimately collecting big $$ from Harvard on her lawsuit.
I am guessing time will validate Harvards decision.
As for the refrain “she is innocent until proven guilty” – most people miss use this – as is brxgrl – the Presumption applies only in a court of law – the presumption has no relevance to Harvard (or any other institution) nor in the court of public opinion.
BS, benson- I’m going on the assumption that she’s innocent until proven guilty. Since she is still innocent, and she is not charged with anything, yes- she’s being screwed. She’s being tried and condemned by the university and by people like you. YOu obviously think everything in our lives should be determined by innuendo, assumption and rumor.
Bxgrl;
If there is anyone making assumptions here, it is your side. The facts of this case are not known, yet you are already assuming that this girl was “screwed over” by Harvard. In fact, this situation is parallel to that of Duke, in that conculsions are being drawn prior to any facts being known, and those conculsions are drawn from the race of the suspect.
Me thinks that doth protest too much!
That’s it for me today. Have a great day!!