Pols, DOT: Parking Permit Program For Many 'Hoods
At Monday’s forum about residential parking permits, the hottest topic of discussion was which Brooklyn neighborhoods would be included in the program. According to reports on Streetsblog and Brooklyn Streets, Carroll Gardens, people from some neighborhoods charged that the current plan (which for the most part only covers areas close to Downtown, as per the…
At Monday’s forum about residential parking permits, the hottest topic of discussion was which Brooklyn neighborhoods would be included in the program. According to reports on Streetsblog and Brooklyn Streets, Carroll Gardens, people from some neighborhoods charged that the current plan (which for the most part only covers areas close to Downtown, as per the map based on an an ’04 study above) would cause too much traffic and jostling for spots in un-permitted neighborhoods. A representative from the DOT, however, said that RPP would be available for a number of neighborhoods on an opt-in basis. Councilman de Blasio (other politicians in attendance included Councilman Yassky and Councilwoman James) floated an idea for placing RPPs all over the city near subway lines, therefore discouraging drivers from park-and-ride behavior. A pilot RPP program could go into effect as early as spring 2009, though that target date hinges on the congestion pricing timetable.
DOT: Relax Brooklyn, Parking Permits Not Just for Downtown [Streetsblog]
RPP Forum Wrap-Up [BSCG]
Downtown Brooklyn RPP Study [Brooklyn Chamber
I would LOVE parking permits in FG. Have often wondered if parking permits could/would EVER be institute in NYC and was surprised at the recent activity.
We have a car that “lives” out of state so might not be able to get a parking permit in FG…oh well…
But I would love not to see the nabe being used as a Park-n-Ride on weekdays. Gets on my nerves. Lots of people drive in to avoid a longer subway or LIRR trip and drop the car in FG because it is so convenient to the subways. Sometimes they park very badly taking up more than a space…what’s going on with drivers these days? Parking skills have gone down…or selfishness has gone up.
Right now, it may be cheaper for people to drive and take the subway than take the LIRR into Manhattan or an express bus from further out in Qns and Bklyn.
I have to say again, I am pleased at the idea of parking permits but also am skeptical how this will play out…and again, my other half may not even be able to register the car since it lives in another city out-of-state at our other address.
Gothamlawyer said:
“A recent Transportation Alternatives study showed that about 50% of the traffic in Park Slope was just circling for parking spots. This program will work to reduce that amount of traffic, and will prevent even longer parking searches once the congestion pricing plan goes into effect.”
Where on earth did you get THAT? Permits don’t mean nobody gets to park in your private club of a neighborhood. It means parking is limited to 2 hours long and no parking at night except those with permits. Which means MORE people will be driving around during the daylight hours MORE often because they will be moving their cars every 2 hours. It does help with parking in the evening usually after 7pm. However, buh-bye, there goes half the people eating in the Park Slope restaurants at night. Everyone in our neighborhood goes to Park Slope when they want to go out to dinner, and most drive their cars.
Also have you all figured out who gets permits? Only owners? Tenants AND owners? How many per building? This proposal has appeal on the surface, it seems to answer all the prayers. But it’s just not going to do that entirely, and there are big downsides people are underplaying. The expectations are really unrealistic.
It’s also insanely inappropriate for the city to implement permit parking without building public parking facilities to support local businesses in these areas. No other city in this country that has permit parking does so without public parking decks for shoppers to use. Any talk of ANY of this at these meetings? Didn’t think so. Typical NYC lack of effort to provide adequate infrastructure.
“why would people drive into south brooklyn or clinton hill to take the subway into the city? those neighborhoods aren’t that really that convenient, public transportation-wise.”
12:15pm, ever drive around the streets near any of the N/R lines in Sunset Park or Greewood Heights? As it stands now, the industrial side streets are packed with cars (not trucks) by 9am, then the blocks are vacant after 6pm. An influx from Bay Ridge from the South And Park Slope from the North. If this is happening already, just think of the domino effect from downtown, to Park Slope, to Windsor Terrace, to Greenwood Hts. to Sunset Park, etc.
The traffic (parking) jam will extend to the Verrazano…
As an example, drive/walk/bike to 24th St btwn 5th/6th Aves. Green-Wood on one side, ConEd on the other, one block from the R and a short ride to Pacific/Atlantic Ave, a major hub. Packed with cars 9AM-6PM, Mon-Fri, dead (no pun intended) nights and weekends. During Alt-Side Street parking, check out 18-23rd Sts. Packed!
I’d like to hear what the Transportation Alternatives folks have to say about this example, and this is without RPP anywhere, yet (and hopefully not).
And yes, I own a car, which is mostly used on the weekends.
Congestion pricing is DEAD DEAD DEAD – thank you Democratic hack pandering – Say goodbye to MTA capital budget
If Bloomberg were to expand his clampdown on the abuse of parking privileges by public employees and really put some teeth into enforcement, some of the worst parking problems in Brooklyn would be reduced. Brooklyn Heights, and parts of Boerun Hill and Prospect Heights, are all close to impossible for local residents to find parking because of this abuse.
For those wanting to know more about the city’s plans regarding RPPs and congestion pricing, there’s a lot of information on http://www.nyc.gov under both the DOT and PLAnyc.
It is sadly hilarious to decry “cheap parking” (looking at you, 11:38) when that parking is currently FREE!
You want to talk about a robbery of the public trust, how about the fact that people who own private cars park them on our PUBLIC streets for nothing!
I do agree with Action Jackson’s sentiment that the program should be borough wide or city wide or happen not at all.
12:19 – 1st of all I have the REAL NYPD plaque (no B.S. self-enforcement zone B.S. (orange) plaque) and 2nd – no NYPD personnel is going to write a ticket against ANY plaque – Mayoral pronouncements or not
(and just wait till all the outer boro hacks kill congestion pricing – Bloomie is going to start printing plaques like a sliced bread factory)
Have fun parking – losers
I lived in Boston and neighborhood parking permits SUCK.
12:21 hit the nail on the head. this plan will help no one and will just create a bureaucratic nightmare.