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Legion- I call it like I see it. BTW- seeing as you and your little group are the first ones to espouse extremist viewpoints- and quite nastily, – you should hardly be surprised that those of us who disagree with you state so in no uncertain terms. If you, benson and dibs want a better dialogue, I suggest you try less bashing and more discussing.
And yes- I think she’s nuts. Heck, even republicans think she’s extreme. I didn’t say Romney was a lunatic- but I don’t like his religion and I believe that anyone who is too conservative in their religious beliefs should not be the President of a nation the is founded on the separation of Church and State because they never stop trying to push their beliefs on the rest of us. Ask Bachmann what she thinks of a woman’s right to choose or homosexuality. Republicans are making a big show of social conservatism these days- like there isn’t anything more important to worry about than sticking your governmental nose in someone’s bedroom?
Lechacal, nobody knows your true financial situation. They don’t get your W-2, they don’t know if you are saddled with medical bills or have some family issue straining you. The churches need money to maintain the church and to heat it so you are not shivering all winter and I really believe that giving money to the church is a good thing but that they should never put the screws on anyone. If they do, find another church.
CGar,
I hear what you are saying.
I can see how Michelle Bachmann can be a polarizing figure but when it comes to Republican women, I am always a bit extra senasitive to the criticism. Mainly because of the clear double-standard that they have to face as women to begin with and with regards to the “feminist” establishment which basically means “NO Republican women”.
Look how they treated the candidates for Governor and Senator in California last year as prime examples. Both accomplished women with integrity treated shabbily.
JB – Why would I care if my kids go to church? It’s a nice community thing to do and I find all of the God stuff pretty innocuous (it’s the bible, not a bag of crack and a $20 bill for giving handies in the grand central bathroom forchrissakes). I don’t happen to believe (or disbelieve) in God but it’s a perfectly good way to get integrated into a community. And episcopalians are pretty reasonable.
In my church experiences, people are expected to pledge around 3%-6% of their annual income, with most actually doing closer to 3% and no one being kicked out as long as they pledge something.
When we officially joined the churches, someone had a talk with us and they gave us a sheet of paper with the recommendations on it.
Every year there is an annual pledge campaign in the spring when you are expected but not required to increase your annual pledge a bit.
So Lech, going with the 3% figure and assuming you make, say, $100,000 a year. A per sunday “fee” would be $58. So, if you’re only going once a year… you probably should double that for the special occasion. 🙂
Your Easter dinner just got very expensive!
The handful of times I’ve been forced to go to church with my sister, I have thrown $5 in the basket. You get a look if you don’t. And it’s too early in the morning to deal with looks.
Legion- I call it like I see it. BTW- seeing as you and your little group are the first ones to espouse extremist viewpoints- and quite nastily, – you should hardly be surprised that those of us who disagree with you state so in no uncertain terms. If you, benson and dibs want a better dialogue, I suggest you try less bashing and more discussing.
And yes- I think she’s nuts. Heck, even republicans think she’s extreme. I didn’t say Romney was a lunatic- but I don’t like his religion and I believe that anyone who is too conservative in their religious beliefs should not be the President of a nation the is founded on the separation of Church and State because they never stop trying to push their beliefs on the rest of us. Ask Bachmann what she thinks of a woman’s right to choose or homosexuality. Republicans are making a big show of social conservatism these days- like there isn’t anything more important to worry about than sticking your governmental nose in someone’s bedroom?
BHS – 6% is way too much for me to be interested.
Also, after tax or pre-tax? Big difference.
Lechacal, nobody knows your true financial situation. They don’t get your W-2, they don’t know if you are saddled with medical bills or have some family issue straining you. The churches need money to maintain the church and to heat it so you are not shivering all winter and I really believe that giving money to the church is a good thing but that they should never put the screws on anyone. If they do, find another church.
Lech;
After tax.
By the way, tithe or tithing comes from Old English and means “tenth” — that’s why 10% is thrown around, cuz that’s the traditional amount.
According to a 2002 survey, only six percent of those who self-identified as born-again Christians tithed.
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/news/2003/jun6.html
CGar,
I hear what you are saying.
I can see how Michelle Bachmann can be a polarizing figure but when it comes to Republican women, I am always a bit extra senasitive to the criticism. Mainly because of the clear double-standard that they have to face as women to begin with and with regards to the “feminist” establishment which basically means “NO Republican women”.
Look how they treated the candidates for Governor and Senator in California last year as prime examples. Both accomplished women with integrity treated shabbily.
JB – Why would I care if my kids go to church? It’s a nice community thing to do and I find all of the God stuff pretty innocuous (it’s the bible, not a bag of crack and a $20 bill for giving handies in the grand central bathroom forchrissakes). I don’t happen to believe (or disbelieve) in God but it’s a perfectly good way to get integrated into a community. And episcopalians are pretty reasonable.
In my church experiences, people are expected to pledge around 3%-6% of their annual income, with most actually doing closer to 3% and no one being kicked out as long as they pledge something.
When we officially joined the churches, someone had a talk with us and they gave us a sheet of paper with the recommendations on it.
Every year there is an annual pledge campaign in the spring when you are expected but not required to increase your annual pledge a bit.
Not sure how the Episcopalians do it.
So Lech, going with the 3% figure and assuming you make, say, $100,000 a year. A per sunday “fee” would be $58. So, if you’re only going once a year… you probably should double that for the special occasion. 🙂
Your Easter dinner just got very expensive!
The handful of times I’ve been forced to go to church with my sister, I have thrown $5 in the basket. You get a look if you don’t. And it’s too early in the morning to deal with looks.