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  1. “if there’s going to be some nasty brawl today, it can start now – as I’m about to warm up my Fairway ravioli’s for lunch. Wouldn’t mind reading some heated exchanges while I eat.”

    I think fairway is run by food stamp abusing union organizers who live in non-landmarked buildings and drive their cars through bike lanes to get to work.

  2. What MM and Snappy said. I grew up poor in the City. We were never on welfare but feeding a family of 5 was a hgue struggle for my parents. But as MM points out, food was cheaper then, and produce was cheaper. Are people entitled to fresh food and produce? Entitled isn’t the right word but since we also complain about giving the poor medical care, doesn’t it make more sense to have them eat healthier to lower the medical of the obese? Food stamps aren’t a gift- they are a lifeline.

  3. Rob, 90% of our fresh produce comes from giant agro-businesses with farms all over the world, that use pesticides we don’t even want to know about, especially produce coming from outside of the US. If you want to blame an entity for over pricing, it’s them, not the small farmer, not organic farms.

  4. MM, one more rant and I am done too.
    You wrote:
    “it’s a struggle, because being poor is a struggle, and damn hard.”
    Yes. That’s right. You have to struggle to be poor.
    You also have to struggle to work your way out of poverty.
    You also have to work hard to choose prosperity.
    We all have the power to make choices.
    We all have the ability to choose our struggles.
    Hopelessness is a disease.
    Learning how to make choices that alleviate poverty is entirely possible.

  5. Rob – food pricing is out of control, not b/c of organic companies – am sure the finance peeps can weight in and articulate better how agriculture commodities are really going up in price….

    I am appalled at what I spend now at any grocery store – we buy a few organic products and a few “nicer” cuts of steak or chicken but the rest is just regular stuff and am shocked!!

  6. Who said anything about soda, steak, or a family of 4 living on $150 a month?

    All of my statements, as well as Rob’s were per person numbers.

    Under the recommendation in my initial post on the subject, a family of 4 would get $300 a month of government assistance to spend on food.

    On a side note, I think the studies comparing junk food and fresh produce are misleading since they leave out grains, flour, dried beans, and canned produce which in my unscientific observations have a high calorie/dollar ratio while still being much more nutritious than junk foods.

    I don’t think the organic movement has caused prices to go up, but it has caused many intellectual types who by organic to forget that there are cheaper fresh alternatives out there.

  7. if there’s going to be some nasty brawl today, it can start now – as I’m about to warm up my Fairway ravioli’s for lunch. Wouldn’t mind reading some heated exchanges while I eat.

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