Although benson and I rarely agree on anything,JB, I agree with what he said here. You don’t seem to understand that religious beliefs are deeply held and disparaging them is neither helpful nor a way to win an argument.
It’s difficult to take advice seriously when it comes from a woman who will (hopefully) never have to turn to a back alley abortionist with a wire hangar for help. You never lived in a time when there was no choice,so you take it for granted now. It’s so obvious to you now, isn’t it? DUH. You think saying MY BODY, MY CHOICE is militant? That “militancy” is what won your right to choose and make no mistake- if you don’t keep fighting for your body and your choice, you will lose it because that is exactly what the religious right wants to take away from you.
Wake up kid- there are more Oklahomas out there, willing to force women to have vaginal ultrasounds, and more Bishops willing to let them die for the sake of a fetus that will then die with them. Women of earlier generations didn’t fight so hard to gain our rights so your generation could lose them, not with a bang but a whimper. (thank you TS Eliot).
As I said, the OT is no place to debate the abortion issue. It is not a subject that lends itself to pithy statements.
I do take exception to your characterization of my religiosity. You don’t know me, and who are you to declare that it is some type of relic to which I cling.
Given that I am an engineer, I have studied alot of science, and I don’t see it as contradictory or threatening to my religion. One of my professors of Physics was Aaron Yalow, a great physicist in his own right, and the husband of a Nobel Prize winner in science. He was a msan of science, and a devout Jew, who taught us to recognize the limits of science. After we had studied some fundamental physics relationship (say, F = ma, to take a simple example) someone would inevitably ask: “But why is this law true?”, to which he would always answer: “You’ll have to ask God that question”.
Because he recognized the limits of science, he was a humane, charming fellow, and a role model for me.
my grandmother used to cling to the theory of “i shit you out, i can take you out.. anytime i want” lol. obviously she believed in abortion even passed birth! and apparently thought she could abort those she never even birthed!
To the “pro-lifers” – yes, I get that at some point you were taught that life begins at conception and abortion is murder, but really, come on. Think a little, we are all living on a planet spinning so fast we can’t even feel it. Is this thing called religion something to really be clinging to? A little embarrassing for otherwise analytical people.
And for the pro-choice set, just because the lifers are freaky and belief-based doesn’t mean you need to respond being equally as militant. “MY CHOICE”; “MY BODY” – duh, of course it is. There are no rules people – come on, now.
Sorry cobble- had early morning grumpies – all sunshiney now 😀
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sorry. all points taken.
[slumps head; sips pedialyte; shuffles to bacon, egg, and cheese place]
Can we institute Joke Saturdays? Or Pun Saturdays? Where’s BHS, I know he’ll back me up on this!
“I agree with what he said here. ”
I feel a draft…I think hell just froze over! : P
Although benson and I rarely agree on anything,JB, I agree with what he said here. You don’t seem to understand that religious beliefs are deeply held and disparaging them is neither helpful nor a way to win an argument.
It’s difficult to take advice seriously when it comes from a woman who will (hopefully) never have to turn to a back alley abortionist with a wire hangar for help. You never lived in a time when there was no choice,so you take it for granted now. It’s so obvious to you now, isn’t it? DUH. You think saying MY BODY, MY CHOICE is militant? That “militancy” is what won your right to choose and make no mistake- if you don’t keep fighting for your body and your choice, you will lose it because that is exactly what the religious right wants to take away from you.
Wake up kid- there are more Oklahomas out there, willing to force women to have vaginal ultrasounds, and more Bishops willing to let them die for the sake of a fetus that will then die with them. Women of earlier generations didn’t fight so hard to gain our rights so your generation could lose them, not with a bang but a whimper. (thank you TS Eliot).
JB;
As I said, the OT is no place to debate the abortion issue. It is not a subject that lends itself to pithy statements.
I do take exception to your characterization of my religiosity. You don’t know me, and who are you to declare that it is some type of relic to which I cling.
Given that I am an engineer, I have studied alot of science, and I don’t see it as contradictory or threatening to my religion. One of my professors of Physics was Aaron Yalow, a great physicist in his own right, and the husband of a Nobel Prize winner in science. He was a msan of science, and a devout Jew, who taught us to recognize the limits of science. After we had studied some fundamental physics relationship (say, F = ma, to take a simple example) someone would inevitably ask: “But why is this law true?”, to which he would always answer: “You’ll have to ask God that question”.
Because he recognized the limits of science, he was a humane, charming fellow, and a role model for me.
my grandmother used to cling to the theory of “i shit you out, i can take you out.. anytime i want” lol. obviously she believed in abortion even passed birth! and apparently thought she could abort those she never even birthed!
*rob*
Attention all abortion debaters…..
To the “pro-lifers” – yes, I get that at some point you were taught that life begins at conception and abortion is murder, but really, come on. Think a little, we are all living on a planet spinning so fast we can’t even feel it. Is this thing called religion something to really be clinging to? A little embarrassing for otherwise analytical people.
And for the pro-choice set, just because the lifers are freaky and belief-based doesn’t mean you need to respond being equally as militant. “MY CHOICE”; “MY BODY” – duh, of course it is. There are no rules people – come on, now.
what the hell are you losers still doing here on a Friday night?