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“I claim that (1) children’s education is a function of the structure of the adult workforce, (2) the incremental choices people get worked up about (say, how new the textbooks are) really don’t matter nearly as much as they think and (3) we could structure the sytem in a radically different way without compromising any of the learned professions.”
Now that’s better, Lech. That’s a MM-worthy response, and one with which I essentially agree. Much better and more articulate than your deliberately provocative “education is a myth” statement — which really didn’t deserve much more than “that’s ridiculous” in reply.
Yep, he’s gone “pro”. Can’t imagine why he and legion hang out here with all of us dolts, given their sheer patrician superiority over us more plebian types. : P
“Yes, sloper, just calling what I said ridiculous establishes nothing. That’s a cmu response. Up your game to a slopefarm or montrose response.”
Ha ha! I would, but I’d have to use more words than you’re able to digest in one sitting.
Suffice it to say that I don’t disagree about the warehousing aspect of much of our educational system, especially the vast public school systems in NYC and other large urban centers. I was specifically responding to your statement that “education is a myth … even in the best private schools.” That’s clearly a ridiculous statement. Clearly, education is not a myth. Clearly, there are important bodies of knowledge to be taught and handed down to each generation and which are most effectively conveyed in formal educational settings by trained professionals.
“Yes, but those lawyers and medical professionals had years of studying Latin and Greek and math and rhetoric and literature and history, etc., before embarking on the hands-on professional training.”
Abe Lincoln had years of Latin and Greek before practicing law?
Anyways, you certainly don’t need it today in order to go to law school.
“What’s ridiculous about it, Sloper? Before this racket we call higher education and mandatory schooling, most people had hands on learning. This includes lawyers and many medical professionals.”
Yes, but those lawyers and medical professionals had years of studying Latin and Greek and math and rhetoric and literature and history, etc., before embarking on the hands-on professional training.
“I also have a sneaky suspicion that Lechecal doesn’t believe a word he’s spouting. He just likes to see people get up in arms and upset because it amuses him.”
Wrong about the first part, right about the second part. I actually believe everything I’ve said today about education. I claim that (1) children’s education is a function of the structure of the adult workforce, (2) the incremental choices people get worked up about (say, how new the textbooks are) really don’t matter nearly as much as they think and (3) we could structure the sytem in a radically different way without compromising any of the learned professions.
“I claim that (1) children’s education is a function of the structure of the adult workforce, (2) the incremental choices people get worked up about (say, how new the textbooks are) really don’t matter nearly as much as they think and (3) we could structure the sytem in a radically different way without compromising any of the learned professions.”
Now that’s better, Lech. That’s a MM-worthy response, and one with which I essentially agree. Much better and more articulate than your deliberately provocative “education is a myth” statement — which really didn’t deserve much more than “that’s ridiculous” in reply.
“So condescending.”
Yep, he’s gone “pro”. Can’t imagine why he and legion hang out here with all of us dolts, given their sheer patrician superiority over us more plebian types. : P
“Yes, sloper, just calling what I said ridiculous establishes nothing. That’s a cmu response. Up your game to a slopefarm or montrose response.”
Ha ha! I would, but I’d have to use more words than you’re able to digest in one sitting.
Suffice it to say that I don’t disagree about the warehousing aspect of much of our educational system, especially the vast public school systems in NYC and other large urban centers. I was specifically responding to your statement that “education is a myth … even in the best private schools.” That’s clearly a ridiculous statement. Clearly, education is not a myth. Clearly, there are important bodies of knowledge to be taught and handed down to each generation and which are most effectively conveyed in formal educational settings by trained professionals.
“Yes, but those lawyers and medical professionals had years of studying Latin and Greek and math and rhetoric and literature and history, etc., before embarking on the hands-on professional training.”
Abe Lincoln had years of Latin and Greek before practicing law?
Anyways, you certainly don’t need it today in order to go to law school.
I stand by yesterday’s comment.
“Oy.”
“don’t confuse provockety with pluckiness”
LOL, *rob*. Great SAT word, btw: “provockety”. I’m also partial to “provockatary”.
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Is that an invitation for us to come over to your place?
sure, you did see my visitors rules list tho, right? and again, i dont have bedbugs. i’d be so far out state right now if i had them.
*rob*
“What’s ridiculous about it, Sloper? Before this racket we call higher education and mandatory schooling, most people had hands on learning. This includes lawyers and many medical professionals.”
Yes, but those lawyers and medical professionals had years of studying Latin and Greek and math and rhetoric and literature and history, etc., before embarking on the hands-on professional training.
“I also have a sneaky suspicion that Lechecal doesn’t believe a word he’s spouting. He just likes to see people get up in arms and upset because it amuses him.”
Wrong about the first part, right about the second part. I actually believe everything I’ve said today about education. I claim that (1) children’s education is a function of the structure of the adult workforce, (2) the incremental choices people get worked up about (say, how new the textbooks are) really don’t matter nearly as much as they think and (3) we could structure the sytem in a radically different way without compromising any of the learned professions.