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“Just threaten to strike then.”
I can’t. They claim to have embarrassing photos of me from many years ago in their files and would post on Brownstoner.
“Just threaten to strike then.”
I can’t. They claim to have embarrassing photos of me from many years ago in their files and would post on Brownstoner.
Biff, Your demi-beard looks great on you, but otherwise I like the Yankee clean shaven style. Pete, did you have a Mullet? Van Halen style?
Cobble, about Dibs “sharing”, he shared his 70s photo. That was pretty good. Serious. I think it is very cute.
Denton, that is a pretty disgusting story. The best part about it is that your conservative friend was outraged.
BTW, my blackberry just called my personal cell phone inside my handbag. The ring tone is Sempre Libre, the aria from La Traviata. Then it left a message. Jiggling around lipsticks and stuff inside my handbag and pocketbook noise. I think my lipsticks and stuff hit the blackberry and then it called my personal phone.
by the way,
that last post was a translation by
Walid Shoebat, a former terrorist who converted to Christianity.
The Imam at ground zero is well versed in what is known as
“tequia”
the art of verbal misrepresentation.
He’s playing the West for dupes because he knows that
it is the tradition of the West to take a man at face value.
This is not always the case in other cultures. Especially when there is a larger agenda at hand.
This is not an overnight agenda,
but one which is unfolding over decades and even centuries.
So while appeasers may hear what they want to hear,
I’ll stick to my old friend Descartes and realize that seeing is believing.
The amount of controversy kicked up by this Ground Zero controversy should be more than enough to instruct any well meaning religious figure on the fact that if the MAJORITY of the people do not want something because of cultural sensitivity, perhaps it’s not a constructive thing to pursue it.
“it’s poor form to take a poop in someone elses house.”
Agree, unless it’s someone you know v. well and / or they are there for a long time.
Had this happen once with a workman in my apartment in London. He was only round for 30 mins, 10 of which were spent in the bathroom….
“for #2!!! i dont care if they if use the bathroom to pee. it’s poor form to take a poop in someone elses house. i dont know where some people learned their manners.”
Rob, I agree. I met this dude once who lived in LA, hadn’t seen him in about a year, the first thing he does when he comes to my place is takes a big doody in toilet. Right, like you’re gonna get action after that. Don’t know why he didn’t stop at a Starbucks, etc. on the way.
When the fountains of knowledge differ, minds pick up the pace to acquire this knowledge. These disagreements produce different views dedicated to employ us to face new realities to keep pace with current events and requirements.
But do the scholars differ regardless of the different sources of knowledge and education in regards to religion? And is it possible to fulfill the basic pillars and foundations to fulfill individual needs and duties in order to apply religion [Islam] as a way of life to conduct our daily life and in order to extract the basic laws for us to resolve and govern with in order to solve grievances? Or do we separate religion form state? This is the subject of our dialogue and questions with imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.
Question: What does it mean to separate religion from state in Islam?
Abdul Rauf: The general understating in the west is that religious institutions have no influence in decision making in the state. In Europe religion is weak while in the United States the majority is religious and believe in God. With this, the understanding of the term “separation of religion from state†is also to separate the arm of the government from pressuring religious freedoms. So in a general sense they respect religious freedoms. In America the state does not interfere in religious regulations, their details, construction or how they are managed.
What is happening in the Muslim world after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of the secular state, that the traditional relationship between state and religious institutions were subject to a separation, which resulted in a reaction that generated Islamic movements wanting to erect an Islamic state in the Islamic world. So if we watch history that after Rashidun Caliphate (Rightly Guided Caliphate) there was a form of separation between government and religious institutions that was represented by [Muslim] jurisprudence and since the Muslims on a personal level are required to follow the prophet (peace be upon him) on all aspects of life and conduct as permissible through a societal level as well. For that, we collectively believe that the state that was erected by the prophet in Medina was the ideal model for an Islamic state. The challenge today in the Islamic world is how do we accomplish this in our current era.
Question: Many of the political Jihadist Islamic movements are talking about an Islamic Caliphate based on the prophet’s approach. Can we accomplish this today?
Abdul Rauf: The challenge I was referring to is this; how do we call for the principles and standards that the prophet (peace be upon him) used to build the Islamic state in Medina. The challenge we have today is how do we accomplish this while keeping the prophet’s methodology in our current changing times. This challenge was an issue that the scholars and Caliphs had to face throughout the Islamic history, which resulted in the creation of several Islamic schools of thought with multiple views that are viewed equally.
So the question in our era throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians that an Islamic state can be established in more than just in a single form or mold; it can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of [Islamic] Shariah that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed.
Question: So we understand that separation of religion from state, that is, it depends on the Muslim governors that so long they were spreading Islam and justice… but when the rulers are ruling under traditional laws contrary to Islamic laws, what then should the Islamic institutions do?
Abdul Rauf: A time after the prophet (peace be upon him) arose certain new conditions that required the governors to institute new laws so long they do not conflict with the Quran and the Sunna that were Shariah compliant as such followed in traditional customs. So in our modern era, governments that want to ensure the new laws as to not contradict Shariah rules—so they create institutions to ensure Islamic law and remove any that contradict with Shariah.
So we advise that when there is a problem in the relationship between state and religious institutions in the form of the question you just asked, that people need to use peaceful means to advise the governors and government institutions and use peaceful means that are available to send their message out to the masses.
And we also suggest to the governors and political institutions to consult [Muslim] religious institutions and [Muslim] personalities in the field as to assure their decision making to reflect the spirit of Shariah.
Question: No doubt that there are disastrous results if the Islamic world kept going under the principles that are used with religious issues and state, but what do we do on a personal level while in the midst of this low class system that is established in our Muslim states?
Abdul Rauf: First and foremost, we need to understand what Shariah requires from us. Second, we need to be a part of a larger group that is capable to give advise [to the government] as is done by lobbies in the West. Thirdly: We become an institutional group to provide benevolent needs in the society.
…oh and I’m still waiting to hear his condemnation of the Hamas terrorist group.
you know, the one that just killed the mother and father of 6 children.
“Just threaten to strike then.”
I can’t. They claim to have embarrassing photos of me from many years ago in their files and would post on Brownstoner.
“Just threaten to strike then.”
I can’t. They claim to have embarrassing photos of me from many years ago in their files and would post on Brownstoner.
having multiple bathroom execaserbates the problem id think cuz it would give incentive for people to take dumps in your apartment.
there’s like 100 stoops on my block alone, go shi+ on one them.
*rob*
Biff, Your demi-beard looks great on you, but otherwise I like the Yankee clean shaven style. Pete, did you have a Mullet? Van Halen style?
Cobble, about Dibs “sharing”, he shared his 70s photo. That was pretty good. Serious. I think it is very cute.
Denton, that is a pretty disgusting story. The best part about it is that your conservative friend was outraged.
BTW, my blackberry just called my personal cell phone inside my handbag. The ring tone is Sempre Libre, the aria from La Traviata. Then it left a message. Jiggling around lipsticks and stuff inside my handbag and pocketbook noise. I think my lipsticks and stuff hit the blackberry and then it called my personal phone.
Lot of things happening in my life, I tell you..
by the way,
that last post was a translation by
Walid Shoebat, a former terrorist who converted to Christianity.
The Imam at ground zero is well versed in what is known as
“tequia”
the art of verbal misrepresentation.
He’s playing the West for dupes because he knows that
it is the tradition of the West to take a man at face value.
This is not always the case in other cultures. Especially when there is a larger agenda at hand.
This is not an overnight agenda,
but one which is unfolding over decades and even centuries.
So while appeasers may hear what they want to hear,
I’ll stick to my old friend Descartes and realize that seeing is believing.
The amount of controversy kicked up by this Ground Zero controversy should be more than enough to instruct any well meaning religious figure on the fact that if the MAJORITY of the people do not want something because of cultural sensitivity, perhaps it’s not a constructive thing to pursue it.
n’est ce pas?
“it’s poor form to take a poop in someone elses house.”
Agree, unless it’s someone you know v. well and / or they are there for a long time.
Had this happen once with a workman in my apartment in London. He was only round for 30 mins, 10 of which were spent in the bathroom….
rob, that’s why people like to have more than one bathroom which is another one of your senseless rants.
“for #2!!! i dont care if they if use the bathroom to pee. it’s poor form to take a poop in someone elses house. i dont know where some people learned their manners.”
Rob, I agree. I met this dude once who lived in LA, hadn’t seen him in about a year, the first thing he does when he comes to my place is takes a big doody in toilet. Right, like you’re gonna get action after that. Don’t know why he didn’t stop at a Starbucks, etc. on the way.
bxgrl,
two can play at that game,
although I am loathe to cut and paste,
here we go:
Separation of Religion From State
(Translated verbatim, From his interview on Hadielislam.com)
http://www.hadielislam.com/arabic/index.php?pg=articles/article&id=12025
When the fountains of knowledge differ, minds pick up the pace to acquire this knowledge. These disagreements produce different views dedicated to employ us to face new realities to keep pace with current events and requirements.
But do the scholars differ regardless of the different sources of knowledge and education in regards to religion? And is it possible to fulfill the basic pillars and foundations to fulfill individual needs and duties in order to apply religion [Islam] as a way of life to conduct our daily life and in order to extract the basic laws for us to resolve and govern with in order to solve grievances? Or do we separate religion form state? This is the subject of our dialogue and questions with imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.
Question: What does it mean to separate religion from state in Islam?
Abdul Rauf: The general understating in the west is that religious institutions have no influence in decision making in the state. In Europe religion is weak while in the United States the majority is religious and believe in God. With this, the understanding of the term “separation of religion from state†is also to separate the arm of the government from pressuring religious freedoms. So in a general sense they respect religious freedoms. In America the state does not interfere in religious regulations, their details, construction or how they are managed.
What is happening in the Muslim world after the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the establishment of the secular state, that the traditional relationship between state and religious institutions were subject to a separation, which resulted in a reaction that generated Islamic movements wanting to erect an Islamic state in the Islamic world. So if we watch history that after Rashidun Caliphate (Rightly Guided Caliphate) there was a form of separation between government and religious institutions that was represented by [Muslim] jurisprudence and since the Muslims on a personal level are required to follow the prophet (peace be upon him) on all aspects of life and conduct as permissible through a societal level as well. For that, we collectively believe that the state that was erected by the prophet in Medina was the ideal model for an Islamic state. The challenge today in the Islamic world is how do we accomplish this in our current era.
Question: Many of the political Jihadist Islamic movements are talking about an Islamic Caliphate based on the prophet’s approach. Can we accomplish this today?
Abdul Rauf: The challenge I was referring to is this; how do we call for the principles and standards that the prophet (peace be upon him) used to build the Islamic state in Medina. The challenge we have today is how do we accomplish this while keeping the prophet’s methodology in our current changing times. This challenge was an issue that the scholars and Caliphs had to face throughout the Islamic history, which resulted in the creation of several Islamic schools of thought with multiple views that are viewed equally.
So the question in our era throughout my discussions with contemporary Muslim theologians that an Islamic state can be established in more than just in a single form or mold; it can be established through a kingdom or a democracy. The important issue is to establish the general fundamentals of [Islamic] Shariah that are required to govern. It is known that there are sets of standards that are accepted by [Muslim] scholars to organize the relationships between government and the governed.
Question: So we understand that separation of religion from state, that is, it depends on the Muslim governors that so long they were spreading Islam and justice… but when the rulers are ruling under traditional laws contrary to Islamic laws, what then should the Islamic institutions do?
Abdul Rauf: A time after the prophet (peace be upon him) arose certain new conditions that required the governors to institute new laws so long they do not conflict with the Quran and the Sunna that were Shariah compliant as such followed in traditional customs. So in our modern era, governments that want to ensure the new laws as to not contradict Shariah rules—so they create institutions to ensure Islamic law and remove any that contradict with Shariah.
So we advise that when there is a problem in the relationship between state and religious institutions in the form of the question you just asked, that people need to use peaceful means to advise the governors and government institutions and use peaceful means that are available to send their message out to the masses.
And we also suggest to the governors and political institutions to consult [Muslim] religious institutions and [Muslim] personalities in the field as to assure their decision making to reflect the spirit of Shariah.
Question: No doubt that there are disastrous results if the Islamic world kept going under the principles that are used with religious issues and state, but what do we do on a personal level while in the midst of this low class system that is established in our Muslim states?
Abdul Rauf: First and foremost, we need to understand what Shariah requires from us. Second, we need to be a part of a larger group that is capable to give advise [to the government] as is done by lobbies in the West. Thirdly: We become an institutional group to provide benevolent needs in the society.
…oh and I’m still waiting to hear his condemnation of the Hamas terrorist group.
you know, the one that just killed the mother and father of 6 children.