Benson, I agree. And much of what Robert Moses did was, IMHO, great. But I also agree it’s time for our subsequent generation to now finish the job, for which I will gladly chip in.
I’ll use a specific example to show how liberal interest groups have made government ineffective. About 10 years ago the Flatbush Ave. overpass on the Belt Parkway had to be replaced, as it was crumbling. Not explanded – just a simple replacement. Should have been straightforward, right? Noooooooooooo.
First, it had to go through a “community board” review. Then an Environmental Impact study had to be undertaken FOR A FRIGGIN OVERPASS REPLACEMENT. Net result? Higher costs! Usual delays. However, certain constituent groups (environmentalists and the consultants who feed off them) were happy. Lawyers to take the project through the “community review”.
This is the crap that Chris Christie is trying to end.
Benson, yeah, was mistaking your for the tarp $$$. if there’s stimulus money to spent, betcha the NYC lawyers, bankers, etc. will get decent size chunk of the feeds – ie very good chance those projects will be tied to specific loans that are securitized and sold.”
Ding, ding, ding – people have been complaining that the underwriters are charging higher than normal fees to underwrite the stimulus bonds. hahaha
I’ll defend RM to the death. When one faces limited funds, one does what one can do. Yes, it would have been better if the BQE was covered. That was the work for subsequent generations to undertake. Has it been done? Nope. About whom is that a statement?
It’s easy to point out the “should haves and would haves”. My bottom line, however, is that the man got a great deal done, far more than we are capable of doing today, sadly.
Benson, yeah, was mistaking your for the tarp $$$. if there’s stimulus money to spent, betcha the NYC lawyers, bankers, etc. will get decent size chunk of the feeds – ie very good chance those projects will be tied to specific loans that are securitized and sold.
Alright, Benson – so as an example, I imagine you want to build some sort of coast-to-coast grid to transport the kind of energy that would help change our economy — how do we do it? For starters, what about individual property rights? Should the government just condemn right-of-ways from citizens? And do want the federal govt running the show? Takes time to sort this stuff out, that’s all I’m really trying to say.
Not delving into the stimulus debate, but I do agree that Robert Moses left a mixed legacy. I personally do NOT think the Gowanus-BQE severing Red Hook and the Columbia Street waterfront from the rest of Brooklyn was his finest hour. Whenever there’s a thread, I consistently express support for burying and covering the highway, at least along Hicks Street and Hamilton Avenue. Carry on.
“very good chance those projects will be tied to specific loans that are securitized and sold.”
“Ding, ding, ding – people have been complaining that the underwriters are charging higher than normal fees to underwrite the stimulus bonds. hahaha”
Beautiful. Of course they are.
Benson, I agree. And much of what Robert Moses did was, IMHO, great. But I also agree it’s time for our subsequent generation to now finish the job, for which I will gladly chip in.
JB;
My final word, and then I’ve got to go.
I’ll use a specific example to show how liberal interest groups have made government ineffective. About 10 years ago the Flatbush Ave. overpass on the Belt Parkway had to be replaced, as it was crumbling. Not explanded – just a simple replacement. Should have been straightforward, right? Noooooooooooo.
First, it had to go through a “community board” review. Then an Environmental Impact study had to be undertaken FOR A FRIGGIN OVERPASS REPLACEMENT. Net result? Higher costs! Usual delays. However, certain constituent groups (environmentalists and the consultants who feed off them) were happy. Lawyers to take the project through the “community review”.
This is the crap that Chris Christie is trying to end.
benson got a great pt on the covering the roadway – why the heck isnt it covered already
Benson, yeah, was mistaking your for the tarp $$$. if there’s stimulus money to spent, betcha the NYC lawyers, bankers, etc. will get decent size chunk of the feeds – ie very good chance those projects will be tied to specific loans that are securitized and sold.”
Ding, ding, ding – people have been complaining that the underwriters are charging higher than normal fees to underwrite the stimulus bonds. hahaha
CGAR;
I’ll defend RM to the death. When one faces limited funds, one does what one can do. Yes, it would have been better if the BQE was covered. That was the work for subsequent generations to undertake. Has it been done? Nope. About whom is that a statement?
It’s easy to point out the “should haves and would haves”. My bottom line, however, is that the man got a great deal done, far more than we are capable of doing today, sadly.
Benson, yeah, was mistaking your for the tarp $$$. if there’s stimulus money to spent, betcha the NYC lawyers, bankers, etc. will get decent size chunk of the feeds – ie very good chance those projects will be tied to specific loans that are securitized and sold.
Alright, Benson – so as an example, I imagine you want to build some sort of coast-to-coast grid to transport the kind of energy that would help change our economy — how do we do it? For starters, what about individual property rights? Should the government just condemn right-of-ways from citizens? And do want the federal govt running the show? Takes time to sort this stuff out, that’s all I’m really trying to say.
Not delving into the stimulus debate, but I do agree that Robert Moses left a mixed legacy. I personally do NOT think the Gowanus-BQE severing Red Hook and the Columbia Street waterfront from the rest of Brooklyn was his finest hour. Whenever there’s a thread, I consistently express support for burying and covering the highway, at least along Hicks Street and Hamilton Avenue. Carry on.