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denton – Lucky I haven’t spring-cleaned my windows yet so you can’t see the details but glad you like my VS outfit. I was just trying to redirect the topics &, you’re right, sex works better at that than cats.
I have always agreed with the need for healthcare reform,
I disagree with the implementation of it in a way that will add more longterm debt to the nation’s burden which is already unsustainable.
There were and still are methods to cover the 30 million unininsured through free market forces and that would save money. I always disagreed with the initial 47 million uninsured by the way, and I also think the number is closer to 15-20 million uninsured.
Thanks for your explanation. I figured the IRS would be the enforcer; I guess you have to provide proof on tax returns (???). What I need to understand better is the expansion of Medicaid coverage — I am sure that there is some mind-fryingly complicated formula on how and how much the states have to bear of Medicaid costs.
Ooops, Legion, thanks for the analysis. From what you write, I don’t see any doom and gloom in it from you. So are you just suggesting we can’t pay for it?
as it stands, the CBO states that the bill will help save approximately 143 billion over the next 10 years, chiefly by eliminiting the cost of covering the uninsured in the emergency room and by a giant 500 billion reduction in Medicare costs. In particular a 20% pay cut for doctors.
republicans and democrats alike agree that a 20% pay cut would lead to mass migration of doctors out of medicine.
thus the “doctor fix” bill which re-instates the 20% pay cut for doctors, and is estimated to cost 250 billion over the next ten years.
put together, the overall effect is a net loss of over a hundred billion over the 10 years. experts say much more.
projecting farther out into future is very difficult, unreliable, etc because of so many differect factors. Nonetheless, if becomes more too hard to maintain at current levels minor changes can be made to alter that direction.
And, since earlier you were decrying this wealth of babyboom generation, then tax them already to pay for it.
Get that estate tax back in there for example. Cap soc.sec. benefit for those rich boomers. Raise those rates on capital gains, dividends for those selfish lazy boomers…make them pay for effing up the world!
bxgrl, I don’t think any of us conservatives & republicans are really saying that Bush did a good job. You need to get off that horse.
We are al forward looking thinkers and are just trying to point out that many of the routes being taken by the current administration are just plain wrong, and against our theology of “less government” “less taxes” and “less spending.”
We will give you the admission that Bush was inept in many ways. Please move on.
the social security “trust fund” is simply what is promised to be paid out yearly by the government once it collects it’s ssi taxes.
in fact, any leftover’s that are present at the end of the year are mandate by law to be turned into intergovernmental holdings.
in other words the governemnt takes the money from the cookie jar to pay for a load of other things leaving the iou’s instead.
problem is , the government has been raiding that cookie jar for decades now and this year the cookie jar will not even have enough to cover the promised Social Security checke.
keep in mind folks, the government is under no obligation to pay out social security once there isn’t enough money.
denton – Lucky I haven’t spring-cleaned my windows yet so you can’t see the details but glad you like my VS outfit. I was just trying to redirect the topics &, you’re right, sex works better at that than cats.
denton,
I have always agreed with the need for healthcare reform,
I disagree with the implementation of it in a way that will add more longterm debt to the nation’s burden which is already unsustainable.
There were and still are methods to cover the 30 million unininsured through free market forces and that would save money. I always disagreed with the initial 47 million uninsured by the way, and I also think the number is closer to 15-20 million uninsured.
Legion,
Thanks for your explanation. I figured the IRS would be the enforcer; I guess you have to provide proof on tax returns (???). What I need to understand better is the expansion of Medicaid coverage — I am sure that there is some mind-fryingly complicated formula on how and how much the states have to bear of Medicaid costs.
Ooops, Legion, thanks for the analysis. From what you write, I don’t see any doom and gloom in it from you. So are you just suggesting we can’t pay for it?
ONE GIANT PROBLEM with the healthcare bill;
as it stands, the CBO states that the bill will help save approximately 143 billion over the next 10 years, chiefly by eliminiting the cost of covering the uninsured in the emergency room and by a giant 500 billion reduction in Medicare costs. In particular a 20% pay cut for doctors.
republicans and democrats alike agree that a 20% pay cut would lead to mass migration of doctors out of medicine.
thus the “doctor fix” bill which re-instates the 20% pay cut for doctors, and is estimated to cost 250 billion over the next ten years.
put together, the overall effect is a net loss of over a hundred billion over the 10 years. experts say much more.
projecting farther out into future is very difficult, unreliable, etc because of so many differect factors. Nonetheless, if becomes more too hard to maintain at current levels minor changes can be made to alter that direction.
And, since earlier you were decrying this wealth of babyboom generation, then tax them already to pay for it.
Get that estate tax back in there for example. Cap soc.sec. benefit for those rich boomers. Raise those rates on capital gains, dividends for those selfish lazy boomers…make them pay for effing up the world!
bxgrl, I don’t think any of us conservatives & republicans are really saying that Bush did a good job. You need to get off that horse.
We are al forward looking thinkers and are just trying to point out that many of the routes being taken by the current administration are just plain wrong, and against our theology of “less government” “less taxes” and “less spending.”
We will give you the admission that Bush was inept in many ways. Please move on.
Bxgrl;
When you want to engage in a substantive dialogue,let me know. I’m not into campaign slogans today (“vodoo economics”, “trickle-down”, etc.)
denton is right,
the social security “trust fund” is simply what is promised to be paid out yearly by the government once it collects it’s ssi taxes.
in fact, any leftover’s that are present at the end of the year are mandate by law to be turned into intergovernmental holdings.
in other words the governemnt takes the money from the cookie jar to pay for a load of other things leaving the iou’s instead.
problem is , the government has been raiding that cookie jar for decades now and this year the cookie jar will not even have enough to cover the promised Social Security checke.
keep in mind folks, the government is under no obligation to pay out social security once there isn’t enough money.